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Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral
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RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral
February 18, 2015 at 10:11 pm
(February 18, 2015 at 9:38 pm)ether-ore Wrote:
(February 18, 2015 at 9:20 pm)Surgenator Wrote: "Consistently and coherently"? The bible scholars would disagree with you. Nevertheless, you haven't understood what I was saying. Lets me put it this way, would objective moral laws exist if God didn't exist? If YES, God is unnecessarily for us to be moral. If NO, then God dictates what is moral. If any being (God included) dictates what is moral, morality is subjective. You do not get to objective morality by looking at how the most powerful being behaves.

I'm not sure which Bible scholars you're referring to. The scholars within my faith do agree with me, or rather I should say, I agree with them.
Many scholars exist, who are not part of your faith, would disagree with you. How do you know who's right?

Quote:I fear you are making an error in assuming you know what I believe concerning God and the objective moral law. For LDS, we do not believe our God either created or originated the moral law. The moral law has always existed from all eternity and our Heavenly Father abides it as well as all who are His (meaning us, His children). The law is objective because it applies at ALL times (eternity) and for ALL beings wherever in the universe they may be and it is not subject to change or alteration by any being.
If objective morals exist independent of God, we do not have to appeal to God to be moral. It also means that God has the capacity of being amoral, and God has/is doing some very immoral actions. For example: vicarious redemption, infinite punishment for finite crime, punishment for not believing, etc...

Quote:From here it gets more complicated, you see, we are answerable to our Heavenly Father just as I am answerable to my father and you to yours. We both have fathers, but they are not the same father. So it is with our Heavenly Father. There are others, but ours is the only one to whom we are answerable, and He administers the eternally objective law as far as we are concerned.
How would you know if God administered the moral law correctly? Faith isn't enough.
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Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 16, 2015 at 12:47 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 16, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 18, 2015 at 7:58 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Mr.wizard - February 18, 2015 at 8:19 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 18, 2015 at 8:26 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Mr.wizard - February 18, 2015 at 8:36 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 19, 2015 at 12:59 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 19, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 18, 2015 at 8:46 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 19, 2015 at 12:31 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by JesusHChrist - February 16, 2015 at 12:56 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 16, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 16, 2015 at 3:07 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 18, 2015 at 6:58 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by LastPoet - February 16, 2015 at 2:10 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 16, 2015 at 2:21 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by AFTT47 - February 16, 2015 at 5:08 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 16, 2015 at 5:10 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Regina - February 16, 2015 at 5:20 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 16, 2015 at 5:22 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 16, 2015 at 8:47 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 16, 2015 at 10:24 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 17, 2015 at 11:15 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 17, 2015 at 1:52 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 17, 2015 at 2:32 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 17, 2015 at 7:31 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Gavin Duffy - February 17, 2015 at 8:31 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 18, 2015 at 12:31 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 4:05 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 18, 2015 at 5:13 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 5:30 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 18, 2015 at 5:49 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by JesusHChrist - February 18, 2015 at 6:09 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 8:57 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by DeadChannel - February 18, 2015 at 9:46 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 10:07 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by DeadChannel - February 18, 2015 at 10:51 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by JesusHChrist - February 19, 2015 at 2:52 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 9:18 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 18, 2015 at 9:20 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 9:38 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 18, 2015 at 10:11 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 19, 2015 at 1:31 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 19, 2015 at 3:20 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 19, 2015 at 11:16 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 19, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 19, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 19, 2015 at 4:43 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 19, 2015 at 8:19 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 19, 2015 at 11:58 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 20, 2015 at 8:11 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 20, 2015 at 11:31 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 20, 2015 at 7:01 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 21, 2015 at 12:31 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 21, 2015 at 10:19 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 21, 2015 at 7:11 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 21, 2015 at 10:28 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 21, 2015 at 10:56 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 21, 2015 at 10:43 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 21, 2015 at 11:18 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 22, 2015 at 12:10 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 22, 2015 at 2:10 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 22, 2015 at 12:16 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 22, 2015 at 2:03 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 22, 2015 at 4:16 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 22, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Surgenator - February 22, 2015 at 10:48 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 19, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 19, 2015 at 5:37 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 19, 2015 at 5:49 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Esquilax - February 18, 2015 at 6:26 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by wiploc - February 19, 2015 at 10:37 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 18, 2015 at 2:49 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by AFTT47 - February 17, 2015 at 7:55 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 18, 2015 at 4:06 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 18, 2015 at 4:56 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 3:41 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 5:40 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 19, 2015 at 5:48 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by Lek - February 19, 2015 at 7:07 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 20, 2015 at 2:15 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 5:59 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 19, 2015 at 6:11 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by abaris - February 21, 2015 at 7:40 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 22, 2015 at 3:04 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 22, 2015 at 5:55 am
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 22, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 22, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by robvalue - February 22, 2015 at 9:43 pm
RE: Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral - by ether-ore - February 23, 2015 at 1:15 am

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