(February 19, 2015 at 12:59 pm)Lek Wrote:(February 18, 2015 at 8:36 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote: What do you mean? I just defined it, it seems what you are looking for is some sort of list of right and wrong to live by?
So secular morality can come from any secular source, such as in China where parents kill their newborn daughters because society deems the boys to be the family heirs. And also because the secular government decides it's a good to only allow its citizens to have one child.
On the one hand, yes, if those aren't god-based, then they're secular.
But you've picked deliberately off-putting examples, so I feel compelled to counter with off-putting counter-examples, non-secular atrocities like the Crusades, the tortures of the inquisition, the killings of Boko Haram, or the sophistic arguments of William Lane Craig.