Religiosity, Spirituality and the Moral

[Surgenator]

Cause and effect does NOT come from me. It is the observable fact of reality. It is not subject to my beliefs just like gravity is not subject to my belief of it.

I understand that what you say is true, but you're still not seeing the definition of subjective. In the following comment you tell me about what it means to offend the law (I'll get to that in a minute). The same thing applies. Ideas don't create themselves, people created them. That something is considered by you as an observable fact isn't what makes it subjective. You observe something and from that, you formulate a conclusion, which if true, becomes a standard. But the formulation of the idea comes from a person which is what makes it subjective. The thing that reinforces its subjectivity is that other people have different ideas.

I'm failing to see how describing something that objectively happens becomes subjective. For it to be subjective, it needs to be relating to the way a person experiences things in his or her own mind. That experience can be different to someone else's mind. Cause and effect does not behave like this.

Breaking the human laws is an offense to the citizens that made that law. It is not an offense to the law, just like I cannot offend the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Laws don't have feelings, people do.

I concede the point, but I will modify you response just a bit. It offends those who abide the law and not necessarily those who created it.

Fair enough, "offends those who abide the law".

I've also noted that your objective moral law doesn't work like other objective laws. For example, I cannot break the 2nd law of thermodynamics no matter how hard I try. However, I can break any of the objective moral laws as much as I want. What makes the objective moral laws behave differently? This question might need its own thread.