You CAN game Christian morality

[RobbyPants]

So, you can't be repentant until you're saved? If you stop being repentant, does that mean you're no longer saved?

If saved people repent, then an unrepentant person wouldn't be saved.

Can a saved person sin?

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Hi RobbyPants

Thanks for the replies.

1. if you fake the repentance and the forgiveness, then you still suffer worse consequences. Only if this forgiveness is real does it stop the damage caused from incurring more "debt" or additional weight of sin/karma.

2. the unforgiveable sin is "unforgiveness" so again faking forgiveness is still unforgiveness. if you don't fully repent and don't incure full forgiveness yet, the wrongs can't be corrected yet. only by fully agreeing to invoke forgiveness can God's will enter the situation or relationship and right the wrongs.

Do you have scriptural citations for the notion of suffering worse consequences or that "unforgiveness" being the unforgivable sin?

From what I can tell, blaspheming the Holy Spirit is supposed to be the one unforgivable sin:

Matthew 12:31-32:

31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

3. for the natural level, whatever wrongs you do still have to be remedied by natural and civil/secular laws also laws of science. So if you damage the planet you are still responsible for fixing the degree of damage you cause. forgiveness doesn't mean your physical debts are erased, unless those are forgiven by the people affected. most people require restitution.

So you can be forgiven on the spiritual level of God
and still have PROPORTIONAL debts and damages to face on the natural level to make good with your relations with your neighbor in Christ.

I thought Jesus told people to forgive their earthly debts. Why do they need to be repaid?

Matthew 18:21-35:

Forgiveness

21 Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.(a)
The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant

23 “Therefore the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his servants. 24 When he began the reckoning, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents;(b) 25 and as he could not pay, his lord ordered him to be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26 So the servant fell on his knees, imploring him, ‘Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay you everything.’ 27 And out of pity for him the lord of that servant released him and forgave him the debt. 28 But that same servant, as he went out, came upon one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii;© and seizing him by the throat he said, ‘Pay what you owe.’ 29 So his fellow servant fell down and besought him, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you.’ 30 He refused and went and put him in prison till he should pay the debt. 31 When his fellow servants saw what had taken place, they were greatly distressed, and they went and reported to their lord all that had taken place. 32 Then his lord summoned him and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you besought me; 33 and should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?’ 34 And in anger his lord delivered him to the jailers,(d) till he should pay all his debt. 35 So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart.”


a. Matthew 18:22 Or seventy-seven times
b. Matthew 18:24 This talent was more than fifteen years’ wages of a laborer
c. Matthew 18:28 The denarius was a day’s wage for a laborer
d. Matthew 18:34 Greek torturers

Yes, you're supposed to follow laws, but Jesus was quite explicit about forgiving debts. Where are you getting this notion about debts needing to be repaid?