[quote='Surgenator' pid='881460' dateline='1424560278']
[quote] I'm by no means suggesting that rules are exist independent of something. In fact, I would are that you're arguing for such a reality. Your suggesting that objective moral laws exist independently of anyone (otherwise they wouldn't be objective).
How can an a moral law exist on its own? [/quote]
These two questions are related and we keep bumping up against the mystery I referred to earlier. All I can say is this: Both God (as a title and not an individual) and the eternal law have always existed. the law exists in the mind of God (again, as a title and not an individual) and it is this eternal nature that makes it objective.
[quote] Interpretations of a rule are subjective, that doesn't make the rule subjective. If you write down the rule, then it is no longer bound to a mind. Only the interpretations of the written rule are bounded by the mind. [/quote]
I don't think witting it down makes any difference. It is its origin in the mind that matters.
[quote] I do have a hidden agenda for doing so. Which I'll keep hidden for a couple more post.
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Am I being set up for a gotcha It's ok, I'm learning here too.
[quote] Wait, an objective law has to be universal, independent of time or place. If we only have part of it here, then the moral law is not universal and not objective. [/quote]
Mortality is a special case. It is like a quarantine where sins can be committed without immediate consequences in order to give humanity the opportunity to learn. For example... In the Celestial Kingdom, the rule is the law of consecration. This law has been attempted a couple of times on earth (about three times that I can think of). One time successfully, and the other two not. In its place is the law of tithing. During Mosaic times, it was animal sacrifice as well as offerings. Humanity is not ready for some laws yet. Once a law is given, we are responsible for it. God in His mercy withholds laws during mortality so that we will not be condemned by them. We are here to learn to be obedient, but God is allowing us to learn at our own pace.
[quote] If what you said was actually true, Satan would not exist.
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Ouch!... You got me on that one
, but it does go to show that outside of mortality, punishment is immediate. I still think however that there will be a difference after mortality. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. This is why "faith", because we don't have all the answers now. If we knew all the answers this life wouldn't be a test.
[quote] I'm by no means suggesting that rules are exist independent of something. In fact, I would are that you're arguing for such a reality. Your suggesting that objective moral laws exist independently of anyone (otherwise they wouldn't be objective).
How can an a moral law exist on its own? [/quote]
These two questions are related and we keep bumping up against the mystery I referred to earlier. All I can say is this: Both God (as a title and not an individual) and the eternal law have always existed. the law exists in the mind of God (again, as a title and not an individual) and it is this eternal nature that makes it objective.
[quote] Interpretations of a rule are subjective, that doesn't make the rule subjective. If you write down the rule, then it is no longer bound to a mind. Only the interpretations of the written rule are bounded by the mind. [/quote]
I don't think witting it down makes any difference. It is its origin in the mind that matters.
[quote] I do have a hidden agenda for doing so. Which I'll keep hidden for a couple more post.
[/quote]Am I being set up for a gotcha
It's ok, I'm learning here too.[quote] Wait, an objective law has to be universal, independent of time or place. If we only have part of it here, then the moral law is not universal and not objective. [/quote]
Mortality is a special case. It is like a quarantine where sins can be committed without immediate consequences in order to give humanity the opportunity to learn. For example... In the Celestial Kingdom, the rule is the law of consecration. This law has been attempted a couple of times on earth (about three times that I can think of). One time successfully, and the other two not. In its place is the law of tithing. During Mosaic times, it was animal sacrifice as well as offerings. Humanity is not ready for some laws yet. Once a law is given, we are responsible for it. God in His mercy withholds laws during mortality so that we will not be condemned by them. We are here to learn to be obedient, but God is allowing us to learn at our own pace.
[quote] If what you said was actually true, Satan would not exist.
[/quote]
Ouch!... You got me on that one
, but it does go to show that outside of mortality, punishment is immediate. I still think however that there will be a difference after mortality. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. This is why "faith", because we don't have all the answers now. If we knew all the answers this life wouldn't be a test.
