You CAN game Christian morality

[GrandizerII]

The answer is right there in the quote.

I'm asking you to support your assertion.

Then please read what was in that stuff you quoted.

How is someone who sees himself as a sinner worthy of eternal punishment not a self-loathing one? Do you have a unique definition of "self-loathing" or something?

You can't ignore what I said and then ask me to support my assertion as if I never did.

You're missing the point. A person who accepts responsibility for his/her actions is not necessarily a self-loathing one. Christianity teaches penance and personal responsibility, not self-loathing.

It also teaches that you are unclean and all your so-called righteous deeds are like filthy rags. That's encouraging self-loathing.

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God is responsible for creating a man capable of choice, not of the choices man makes.

Oh, ooh, free will.

When my son was learning to walk, he wanted sometimes to cross roads. I didn't let him do so by himself, because it was obviously dangerous.

What you're telling me is that your god, knowing how powerful Satan was, turned Adam and Eve loose in the Garden with no knowledge of the difference between good and evil, that he knew Satan was in the garden, and he didn't know that Eve would take the applebite?

I'm just a mere mortal, and I can foresee when a bad situation raises risk to unacceptable levels. Your god is alleged to be omnipotent, yet he couldn't know that man would not always choose wisely?

If I know of an incipient murder, and I do nothing to stop it though I can safely do so, have I behaved in a moral fashion?

I submit that your understanding of moral responsibility is uselessly shallow.

Christianity teaches penance and personal responsibility, not self-loathing.

If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se...ke%2014:26

Christianity inculcates self-loathing in humans.

Exactly. The New Testament is rather clear in many passages that if you don't loathe yourself, you will not be saved.

Consider the parable of the humble tax collector and the proud Pharisee. The Pharisee saw himself as a good person but was not justified before God. The tax collector, on the other hand, saw himself as a sinner and was justified. So self-loathing is better than loving who you are in God's eyes.

You have to loathe your nature as a sinner in order to be saved ... is what the New Testament is saying.