(March 4, 2015 at 6:38 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: No, but "Please forgive me Lord for I am but an unworthy sinner..."Yes, Christianity teaches the taking responsibility for the wrong we have done (I am an unworthy sinner). Why does the acknowledgment of personal wrongdoing equate to self-loathing?
That is, and that is what's taught by most denominations of the christer faith.
(March 4, 2015 at 7:04 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: The obvious difference, which you've obviously missed, is that none of the humans in your analogy possess the omnipotence your god is alleged to have.Which is why I didn't say you would be responsible for ALL the wrong that ALL children do. Nor did I say that engineers, factory workers, and CEO's of automotive company's would be responsible for ALL accidental deaths. Certainly you are in a position of absolute knowledge and power with respect to having a child. You can know with absolute certainty that your child will do wrong, and cause harm to another person. You can choose, with absolute power, to have or not have a child. Using the logical application of your moral system, you are responsible for the wrong that your child does. With the accusation you bring against God, you condemn yourself.
(March 4, 2015 at 7:04 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Well, what's holding your tongue? Speak for Jesus, already.And when Jesus says: I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through me. Do you believe Jesus when he said that?
No, you're quiet because you know that there is no way you can explicate that verse without acknowledging the point that your religion inculcates self-loathing.
Am I wrong? You tell me. But -- get this -- you actually have to explain why. I think I understand that verse perfectly well. You must hate everything about life in order to gain heaven. "Everything" includes yourself.
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?