RE: The Jesus Freaks Will Hate This
March 6, 2015 at 7:43 pm
(This post was last modified: March 6, 2015 at 7:47 pm by Mudhammam.)
(March 6, 2015 at 4:14 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:I think this example demonstrates the dishonest game you play and applies to pretty much all of your other remarks. So I'll highlight the moment your brain probably shut down in red and just let you figure the rest out for yourself, with the exception of these additional comments:(March 6, 2015 at 2:50 pm)Nestor Wrote: I also don't think that is slavery or the practice outlined in the Old Testament for non-Hebrew slaves, who themselves and their families, including their children, became the permanent possession of the Israelites:There is only one instance that a servant became a servant permanently, By choice.
Leviticus 25:44-46
"44As for your male and female slaves whom you may have—you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you. 45Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of their families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession. 46You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves. But in respect to your countrymen, the sons of Israel, you shall not rule with severity over one another." (emphasis mine)
Please tell me how a person chose to have the Israelites conquer their town, their husbands, their grown men, and acquire the remaining citizens as possessions, i.e. slaves. Please tell me how it was the choice of the child, whom the Hebrew reared with his newly acquired concubine, to be born a slave.
Jubilee is a concept that relates to items between Hebrews on loan. As you should already understand by now, "the purpose of the Jubilee law was to keep the land in the hands of the tribes and families to which [God] had given the land in the first place." It has nothing to do with people who don't own any property, such as a slave. The slave is the property that is returned to the owner.
Quote:"There is no debt forgiven because it has already been paid. The key verses missed (or not read at all) are Leviticus 25:15-16. In verses 8-10 a ram’s horn is to be blown on the day of atonement of the 50th year (or 49th), and each family is to return to their property. Verses 15-16 tell how this process is to work:
15Corresponding to the number of years after the Jubilee you shall buy from your friend; he is to sell to you according to the number of years of crops. 16In proportion to the extent of the years you shall increase its price and in proportion to the fewness of the years you shall diminish its price; for it is the number of crops he is selling to you [emphasis added].
So if an Israelite family member has a debt they can go to someone and ask for a lump sum payment priced according to the number of years before the Jubilee. The price would be determined by the projected amount of crops to be yielded prior to the Jubilee. To put it in modern terms, if you had a debt of $250,000, there are five years prior to the Jubilee, and each crop is worth $50,000, then the lender (or “buyer”) would give you $250,000 for the rights to farm the land, and at the time of Jubilee you would receive your land back because the debt had been paid off. So the “buyer” does not really own the land but leases it. The debt is paid off by the land (crops).[3] The buyer or leaser would be paid according to the terms of the lease.
Oh, and after the numerous examples cited, maybe you overlooked this too, dipshit:
Quote:There is thus significant consensus among Biblical scholars that Jubilee actually entailed the completed payment of a debt, not its forgiveness.
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