(August 24, 2010 at 9:07 pm)Tiberius Wrote:So if we are being pedantic I'm not sure your statement is true. It may be more accurate to describe the god here as the perfect conception of the theists philosophers god. The Christian, Islam and Judaism concept of god being all loving is somewhat more debatable as these monotheisms also claim god has negative emotions towards humankind and does not forgive certain transgressions. It depends how literal you take scripture to be of course, but it seems clear that denial of the holy ghost in Christianity for example is unforgivable and you are hell bound for a seemingly minor transgression. All debatable points of course but you seem to want to assert your position with more clarity than is strictly speaking necessary nor warranted to have a straightforward debate.(August 24, 2010 at 6:32 pm)The Omnissiunt One Wrote: It's certainly ambiguous, but I assume he meant the traditional monotheistic god. The other points are all entailed by a Judeo-Islamo-Christian-nutter viewpoint, but not for all definitions of god, of course. A deist god can't be touched by the problem of evil.Yeah, and my point was, as it stands, the argument is logically invalid. If he'd started out by saying "the traditional monotheistic God is all-loving, all-powerful..." and then concluded with "therefore the traditional monotheistic God doesn't exist", we might be getting somewhere. However, he didn't. He made an argument against the existence of a general God, using non-sequiturs that simply do not stand up.
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