(March 10, 2015 at 10:14 pm)TimOneill Wrote: As I find myself saying repeatedly in these discussions, people who want cases to be “proved” should avoid this subject altogether.
Fair enough. Actually, that fits with my identity as a Jesus Mooter.
Quote:I can give you a bit more than that:
(i) Born in Nazareth and grew up there
(ii) Had a brother called James
(iii) Was an apocalyptic preacher like John the Baptist
(iv) Was baptised by John and probably inspired by him
(v) Preached that the coming apocalyptic cleansing of the world was going to happen in his lifetime or soon after
(vi) Crucified in Jerusalem by Pilate sometime between c. 30 and 37 AD
(vii) Was claimed to be the Messiah, though whether he made this claim himself is unclear.
I'll set aside my question of "what do we base this knowledge on?" and just take your assertions about The Historical Jesus at face value:
Let's review. The Historical Jesus was...
1. Born in a town where lots of others were from.
2. Had a brother. And hey, his brother had a common name.
3. He was one of many apocalyptic preachers of that time.
4. He was one of many baptized by and inspired by JtB.
5. Did we mention he was one of many apocalyptic preachers of the time?
6. He was one of many Jews crucified by Pilate.
7. He was one of many claimed messiahs of that time.
Heck, there were probably a dozen or so Historical Jesuses (Jesusi?).
Let me know if historians find anything of substance.
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