(March 12, 2015 at 3:29 pm)orangebox21 Wrote:(March 9, 2015 at 4:04 pm)Irrational Wrote: Uh, no. A loaded question is one which has an unwarranted presupposition. It doesn't necessarily have to be guilt-inducing.We've all done something wrong. You've never driven 1 mph over the speed limit? Never told a lie? Never taken some pens home from work? Never seen someone in need and not helped? Never lusted after a man/woman? Never cursed? Never hated? Never dishonored your parents? Never had a conversation with a coworker on company time? I'm not here make a list of your sins (for all I know I'm a worse sinner than you), but to claim you've never done anything wrong is just dishonest.
You don't know if I do wrong.
I didn't say I've never done wrong, only that you can't know that I do wrong.
There are people who, for all we know, have never done wrong in their lives (according to the Christian idea of wrong).
Quote:Your claim is that we should love ourselves and not self-loath. When our self does wrong, should we love our self? This question is begged from your initial statement and is a question you are going to have to answer, if not to me to yourself. Because the end result of this logic is that we should celebrate and encourage everything everyone does.
I think you should still love your self even when you stumble in life and go against God's will. It's not like you're supposed to be that perfect guy who mustn't fail at all in life.
Quote:There was nothing wrong with Adam's nature at the time of creation (he wasn't created with a sin nature).
But now human nature has been tainted with sin. The same with will, intellect, abilities, and so on (as you said). So why loathe just the nature but not the others?