Argument for atheism from necessary evil

[Captain Scarlet]

So I think the point is that if prayer does not lead to empirically positive results it counts as evidence against the existence of a christian god. No evidence is conclusive becuase you could counter as you have done or he may not really care or be intrinscily evil or may not be thinking (I don't believe he can think if he is in a timeless non-place, I know you think differently). However along with other evidence if we apply Occams Razer we should conclude that god does not exist.

I don't counter that he doesn't care I counter that we are not knowledgeable to judge the fairness of the action. We can't say whether his action is caring or not because we don't have access to all the information. We assume that no action is injust but on what grounds? We cannot know and therefore cannot judge. In this case God clearly has no interest in restoring missing limbs. Is that caring or uncaring?... we cannot judge.

I did not say that you said that "god did not care" (I said or he may not care).

Anyway these are not problems for atheism but problems for theism, we merely point out the inconsistencies. You are effectively saying that we cannot judge a god/s, but of course we can and theism has set this up. Your views have more in common with mysticism than of theism. Theism clearly states that if we follow the rules we will be saved, if we make appeals we will be looked favourabley upon (if we are believers). We can test this, not by trying to understand whats going on in an incorporeal mind, but by purely testing the output (the result). As time and again we see no end result of prayer or worship or afterlife or souls or whatever, it is safe to conclude that the thesim is not true and the god imagined by that theism is false. Why people claim god has performed miracles saving them from internal illnesses, but never heals just as deserving amputees is a rather sarcastic but poigniant example, there are of course many, many other examples.