(August 29, 2010 at 6:10 am)Captain Scarlet Wrote: Anyway these are not problems for atheism but problems for theismWhich therefore have to be considered within the logical framework of that stance
(August 29, 2010 at 6:10 am)Captain Scarlet Wrote: we merely point out the inconsistencies. You are effectively saying that we cannot judge a god/s, but of course we can and theism has set this up.You're mixing up the knowledge of what God is (truth, simplicity, love) and the knowledge of everything as possessed by God.
(August 29, 2010 at 6:10 am)Captain Scarlet Wrote: if we make appeals we will be looked favourabley upon (if we are believers). We can test this, not by trying to understand whats going on in an incorporeal mind, but by purely testing the output (the result). As time and again we see no end result of prayer or worship or afterlife or souls or whatever, it is safe to conclude that the thesim is not true and the god imagined by that theism is false."We" (as in non believers) will not see evidence this is true. Because you look at the answers without allowing for God. That doesn't equate to valid reasoning to disbelieve, just coloured reasoning that would persuade you of one perspective. I insist on the right for your right to be free to make that choice.
We still don't know if the output (the result) is fair or unfair, so how can we then say if it's fair or unfair?
(August 29, 2010 at 6:10 am)Captain Scarlet Wrote: Why people claim god has performed miracles saving them from internal illnesses, but never heals just as deserving amputees is a rather sarcastic but poigniant example, there are of course many, many other examples.You're making large assumptions there. First one way and then another.
To assert that the prayer of any believer has to be answered positively by God is a gross misunderstanding and logically bankrupt.