RE: If I were an Atheist
March 20, 2015 at 1:32 pm
(This post was last modified: March 20, 2015 at 2:38 pm by The Reality Salesman01.)
I don't feel as though you understood what I was saying, let me try a different fact, this time, more simple...
A volcano eruption, natural or something else?
You're half right. The problem is, you either purposely or inadvertently changed one detail in what I've said to create a straw man.
A mind is not supernatural. You and I are both using our natural minds to communicate through other natural mediums. The kind of things you have posited (a mind that poofs universes containing natural minds who create video games) that is supernatural, and it requires evidence. Notice that what you've said no longer supports your car argument because when we take out the straw man, its obvious that cars are natural creations inspired by human minds who act upon other existing stuff. But, that's not at all what we've been arguing about.
A volcano eruption, natural or something else?
(March 20, 2015 at 12:54 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but I assume by natural explanations you mean we can explain how something works and functions by appealing to the laws of physics. The reasoning then being that if something can be explained by natural laws no mind or supernatural agent is required.
You're half right. The problem is, you either purposely or inadvertently changed one detail in what I've said to create a straw man.
A mind is not supernatural. You and I are both using our natural minds to communicate through other natural mediums. The kind of things you have posited (a mind that poofs universes containing natural minds who create video games) that is supernatural, and it requires evidence. Notice that what you've said no longer supports your car argument because when we take out the straw man, its obvious that cars are natural creations inspired by human minds who act upon other existing stuff. But, that's not at all what we've been arguing about.
(March 20, 2015 at 12:54 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: What about things we know to be designed and created by mind? Like a car or a computer. Can there function, characteristics and properties be explained by the laws of nature? Absolutely so if your premise is correct we should assume that natural mindless forces caused laptops and cars to exist unintentionally.No. We should admit that we already acknowledged that they were created by natural minds which are obviously inherent to nature. And you should stop assuming supernatural alternatives.
