Hi Salesman,
Thanks for providing a definition...
Agree or disagree are there are many phenomena currently beyond scientific understanding true? If so until such time as scientists understand such phenomena they are supernatural correct? If the universe was caused to exist that cause couldn't be the very laws of nature that were caused to exist. If it sprang into existence out of nothing uncaused again that would be out of scope for scientists to explain. Therefore by this definition the existence of the universe is a phenomena beyond scientific explanation and can't be understood by an appeal to the laws of nature.
My personal definition (for what its worth) is the supernatural is what can't possibly happen unless it turns out it can happen and then it becomes 'natural'. For example two hundred years ago, the idea I could speak to someone in Europe in live time would be a supernatural feat to them. Now since we can do it, its perfectly natural.
Wouldn't mindless forces that poof a universe into existence be a good example also?
Have scientists reached an understanding of how the human mind exists? If we really are autonomous free will agents who can volitionally do things does that fall under the purview of the laws of nature? What law does that follow under?
Thanks for providing a definition...
Quote:Supernatural: (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
Agree or disagree are there are many phenomena currently beyond scientific understanding true? If so until such time as scientists understand such phenomena they are supernatural correct? If the universe was caused to exist that cause couldn't be the very laws of nature that were caused to exist. If it sprang into existence out of nothing uncaused again that would be out of scope for scientists to explain. Therefore by this definition the existence of the universe is a phenomena beyond scientific explanation and can't be understood by an appeal to the laws of nature.
My personal definition (for what its worth) is the supernatural is what can't possibly happen unless it turns out it can happen and then it becomes 'natural'. For example two hundred years ago, the idea I could speak to someone in Europe in live time would be a supernatural feat to them. Now since we can do it, its perfectly natural.
Quote:An unembodied mind that poofs universes into existence would be a good example of such an unscientific and supernatural entity.
Wouldn't mindless forces that poof a universe into existence be a good example also?
Quote:Cars are not formed naturally any more than pizza is. But everything about pizza and cars can be understood through a natural explanation-no magical minds required.
Have scientists reached an understanding of how the human mind exists? If we really are autonomous free will agents who can volitionally do things does that fall under the purview of the laws of nature? What law does that follow under?