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Helping Christians to lose faith?
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RE: Helping Christians to lose faith?
(April 2, 2015 at 11:06 am)xmark27 Wrote: You expect the world to be perfect.
Nope, the world is pretty fucked up in some areas.
Quote: That's why you believe there is no God.
Wrong again. I just don't accept your claim that there is one.
Quote: You are afraid of his existence.
Again, wrong. I can't be afraid of something I don't believe in.
Quote:You will use your philosophical ideas and what little science has learned to say there is no God.

0 for 4 here. We don't say 'science and philosophy proves there is no God'. We say 'everything science and philosophy has learned has not demonstrated any need for the god concept at all'.
Quote: Science has never come to the conclusion how life started and you all know that is true.
Of course we aren't certain, and we may never be, but that doesn't give you license to crowbar in unsubstantiated God claims.
Quote:Science doesn't know they can only assume this is what happened.
Absloute certainty is a red herring, our understanding of he world is necessarily probabilistic. And if you're going for 'assuming this is what happened', then look no further than 'assuming' the Bible is actually true.
Quote: The answer will never be found by using science.
Any evidence for this assertion?
Quote:You all want it to be a fairy tale if God does exist, but it doesn't work that way.

What we want is irrelevant to reality.
Quote:I have had an interaction with God. He came to me one night and said he forgave me for all my sins and though I did not see his face I felt his hand on my shoulder. I have seen things that I hope none of you should ever see.
And how would you prove a Muslim or a Hindu or a Jew or a member of another Chrstian sect wrong if they said the same thing about their god?
Quote: I have seen evil. No its not because they are mental or are faking it. They have been evaluated by your doctors and they have said we don't know what's wrong with them.
Again, the lack of an absolutely certain conclusion (and I'd like to hear your specific examples, by the way) is not an excuse to shove in your unfounded assertions.
Quote: You will laugh though and you will say I am not afraid because that stuff is fake. You will give me an answer about what you think it is.
I won't give you an answer, but that doesn't mean yours is any more correct.
Quote:You live a happy life not because God does not exist, but because that's what the devil wants for you to not believe in God.
The devil is giving me a happy life? Isn't that what following God is supposed to do?
Quote:Many of you remind me of Jesus disciples. No matter how many times Jesus showed them he was the Son of God they still denied him. They did not want to believe because how could someone like that exist?
Forgive us for being skeptical, I'd wager you wouldn't accept the testimony of prophets/disciples of other religions.
Quote: They refused to believe until Jesus showed them all his miracles.
So why doesn't God show me a miracle if it was good enough for Saul and the other disciples, and all the random-ass people that saw Lazarus and the water-wine and the loaves and fishes? Why are they more desrving of proof, if this God wants us all to believe?
Quote: And yet some still did not believe. Like Jesus said "There are some who have seen me, but do not believe in me yet there are those who have not seen me and believe." If what you say is true then run the numbers and use the theories of science to bring you to the conclusion that we are just here by chance and nothing else. Ignorance I have never ignored science, I admire science but I know it will never explain our existence. Why we love the way we do and laugh. When you need him the most I promise you that you will think about praying to him at least once.

Well that was a load of bollocks.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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Helping Christians to lose faith? - by watchamadoodle - April 1, 2015 at 1:37 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Joods - April 1, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by pocaracas - April 1, 2015 at 1:46 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 1, 2015 at 2:13 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Spooky - April 1, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Cephus - April 1, 2015 at 2:22 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by AFTT47 - April 1, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Joods - April 1, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Tonus - April 1, 2015 at 2:35 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by John V - April 1, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Cephus - April 1, 2015 at 5:31 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 3:12 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by John V - April 1, 2015 at 3:56 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 4:05 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Minimalist - April 1, 2015 at 3:19 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Joods - April 1, 2015 at 3:31 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Pyrrho - April 1, 2015 at 3:48 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Pyrrho - April 1, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 9:54 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by The Valkyrie - April 1, 2015 at 9:58 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by AFTT47 - April 1, 2015 at 10:13 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 10:25 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Tonus - April 1, 2015 at 10:39 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 10:43 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 10:47 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Tonus - April 2, 2015 at 3:28 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 11:00 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 11:12 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Aractus - April 1, 2015 at 11:07 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Jackalope - April 1, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Aractus - April 1, 2015 at 11:40 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Surgenator - April 1, 2015 at 11:27 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 11:31 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by pocaracas - April 2, 2015 at 4:48 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Surgenator - April 1, 2015 at 11:32 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 11:36 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 11:53 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Surgenator - April 2, 2015 at 12:02 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 3:48 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 4:51 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 2, 2015 at 10:09 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 2, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by FatAndFaithless - April 2, 2015 at 11:18 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 11:10 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Norman Humann - April 2, 2015 at 11:21 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 2, 2015 at 11:47 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Brian37 - April 2, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Crossless1 - April 2, 2015 at 12:04 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Norman Humann - April 2, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 12:01 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 2, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Norman Humann - April 2, 2015 at 12:07 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 2, 2015 at 12:09 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Norman Humann - April 2, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by ThomM - April 4, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by RobertE - April 4, 2015 at 6:52 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Tonus - April 4, 2015 at 8:51 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by AFTT47 - April 4, 2015 at 9:20 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by RobertE - April 5, 2015 at 5:24 am

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