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Helping Christians to lose faith?
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RE: Helping Christians to lose faith?
(April 1, 2015 at 1:37 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: Sometimes I wonder if I should be openly and vocally atheist in an effort to help my family and friends to lose faith.

Any ideas?
- My mother is 70 and I doubt if she would ever lose faith, but I could be surprised. I try to pretend to believe a little bit for her sake. Her beliefs are somewhat fundamentalist and also somewhat superstitious (Eastern Orthodox)
- My brother and his family believe similarly to my mother except less strongly.
- My sister and her husband are Lutherans.

I feel bad leaving them to believe nonsense when I might be able to help them - especially my brother and sister. On the other hand, it could create a big mess.

The end of religion as we know it is already well developed - enough so that they have predicted its extinction in several major Western countries within this century. You do not have to feel bad that there are still believers - but they are few and getting fewer where it counts.

It took a while - but year after year - sciience puts another nail in the coffin of what was bible inerrancy. From a situation where the church put people to death who dared say the bible was not completely true - we have evolved to where the church admits that there are large portions of the bible that are nothing more than "stories"  - bedtime tales - and we do not have to believe them. OF course the church has no choice in that - when they are PROVEN to be wrong.

So what HAS happened was shown in a study done by the Pew Research institute - which showed that while among the old folk - there is still widespread belief - as you question younger people - that is where churches see their end. A majority of young people admitted that they do not believe - but fail to show that to prevent family problems - however they have no intention of supporting religion or religious education when more of the old folks pass.  The MAJOR problem for religion in general - and not just christianity - is two-fold.

1- The is mass disregard for the position that religion takes on the inferiority of women - and women rebel against raising their children to learn that position. That is a basis for the decay of the Muslim religion especially.
2 - But the biggest problems for the churches is that while their numbers are staying steady because of third world conversion (Some of which include things like christian voodoo) - it is the Wealth and Educated western people who essentially bankroll religion who are defecting.  The third world people do not contribute money in the way that Western people once did - so they see their MONEY support disappearing.

And without money - you get less christian education - the Catholic church has already closed more than half of all their Schools. And without christian indoctrination - you have even less christians - and the wondrous cycle continues. WE already see the MASS (Pun not intended) closing of Churches - Temples - and other places of worship ALL over the world.

So while you have a problem with some of your family still indoctrinated in the nonsense - at least you can see the light at the end of the Tunnel too!
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Helping Christians to lose faith? - by watchamadoodle - April 1, 2015 at 1:37 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Joods - April 1, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by pocaracas - April 1, 2015 at 1:46 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 1, 2015 at 2:13 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Spooky - April 1, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Cephus - April 1, 2015 at 2:22 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by AFTT47 - April 1, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Joods - April 1, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Tonus - April 1, 2015 at 2:35 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by John V - April 1, 2015 at 2:51 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Cephus - April 1, 2015 at 5:31 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 3:12 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by John V - April 1, 2015 at 3:56 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 4:05 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Minimalist - April 1, 2015 at 3:19 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Joods - April 1, 2015 at 3:31 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Pyrrho - April 1, 2015 at 3:48 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Pyrrho - April 1, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 9:54 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by The Valkyrie - April 1, 2015 at 9:58 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by AFTT47 - April 1, 2015 at 10:13 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 10:25 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Tonus - April 1, 2015 at 10:39 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 10:43 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 10:47 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Tonus - April 2, 2015 at 3:28 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 11:00 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 11:12 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Aractus - April 1, 2015 at 11:07 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Jackalope - April 1, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 11:13 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Aractus - April 1, 2015 at 11:40 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Surgenator - April 1, 2015 at 11:27 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 11:31 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by pocaracas - April 2, 2015 at 4:48 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Surgenator - April 1, 2015 at 11:32 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 1, 2015 at 11:36 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 1, 2015 at 11:53 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Surgenator - April 2, 2015 at 12:02 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 3:48 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 4:51 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by dyresand - April 2, 2015 at 10:09 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 2, 2015 at 11:06 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 11:10 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Norman Humann - April 2, 2015 at 11:21 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 11:26 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 2, 2015 at 11:47 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Brian37 - April 2, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Crossless1 - April 2, 2015 at 12:04 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Norman Humann - April 2, 2015 at 11:59 am
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 12:01 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 2, 2015 at 12:03 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Norman Humann - April 2, 2015 at 12:07 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by xmark27 - April 2, 2015 at 12:09 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Norman Humann - April 2, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by ThomM - April 4, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by RobertE - April 4, 2015 at 6:52 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by Tonus - April 4, 2015 at 8:51 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by AFTT47 - April 4, 2015 at 9:20 pm
RE: Helping Christians to lose faith? - by RobertE - April 5, 2015 at 5:24 am

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