Let's Give The Muslims A Day Off

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Just my opinion on this:

My friend recently said to me that he thought our morality/ secular government is based on "christian values". It is a claim that totally baffles me. But then, what is "christian" is entirely arbitrary. If it means taking lessons straight out of their book, then that requires ignoring almost all of it. If it means looking at history, that means pretending most of it didn't happen. If it means basing it solely on a few cherry picked common sense principles from the bible, then yeah sure, but that's just common sense. I don't see where the "Christian" bit comes into it at all.

Sure, there have been good christians, but they weren't good because they were christians, or good at coming up with secular ideas because of their religious knowledge. "Death and torture to unbelievers" is about as unsecular as it gets.

But then I don't know what people mean exactly when they say "Christian values" as there are as many versions of christianity as there are christians. I did a whole thread before about what morality you can learn from christianity that isn't obvious to any well balanced atheist, and the answer was nothing, and it demonstrated common sense morality could be made worse as well.