RE: If I were an Atheist
April 14, 2015 at 1:43 am
(This post was last modified: April 14, 2015 at 1:55 am by Mister Agenda.)
(April 10, 2015 at 1:18 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: Suppose a universe did exist, but it was utterly chaotic with no laws of physics no rhyme or reason and obviously no life (exactly what one would expect to be the result of mindless mechanistic forces that some how came into existence).
There is no reason to believe such an utterly chaotic universe is possible. In fact, it is impossible for chaos not to contain any order at all unless Something is preventing any occurrences of order...which itself would be a sort of order. Chaos one can rely on.
(April 14, 2015 at 1:41 am)whateverist Wrote: I'm pretty sure Drew just committed the wall of text fallacy. Only thing is, I'm not willing to wade through it to make sure.
It's not true that someone has to do it, but I will. Maybe not again, circumstances have required me to limit my internet use considerably.
(April 10, 2015 at 1:18 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: Again there would be no reason to raise the question of theism (or anyone to raise such an idea but this is a thought experiment). Again in order for the possibility of theism to be raised certain conditions and facts must be true.
Likewise for atheism, as shown, without even raising silly scenarios where there's no one to raise any questions at all.
(April 10, 2015 at 1:18 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: 1. A universe has to exist
2. The universe must be such that life can occur and be around long enough for sentience to occur
3. Sentient life must exist
4. There must be stable laws of physics that allow for stars, galaxies, and planets to exist.
Sigh. Those are all things that have to be true for the question of atheism to be raised. A deity doesn't require any of those things to exist. We do, but only in a context where there is no powerful being that could and would keep us alive despite us not having any of those things.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.