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Stephen Hawking: God was not needed to create the universe
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RE: Stephen Hawking: God was not needed to create the universe
Quote:You make a lot of assumptions in your sentence;

1. God was created by man
2. John Lennox cant think for himself
3. That he is full of shit

Care to back any of them up?

Sure...

1. Which one of the hundreds of gods are you referring to? Zeus, Apollo, Poseidon, Allah, YHWH, Athena, Mithra, etc. You are quick to dismiss most of these beings as they were imagined by the cultures of the time and because we have zero evidence for their existence. What makes your god different?

2. I say he can't think for himself because he relies on some ancient book written by ignorant goat herders to tell him how to live and think.

3. See the above reply. He is trying to counteract scientific arguments by quoting ancient fairy tales. That to me is being full of shit.

Quote:I find this sentence remarkable. You attempt to use the expression, 'invisble sky daddy.' Clearly you dont know much about theology or Christianity for that matter.

I know enough to know theists like to imagine some invisible divine entity looking after their every move and knowing their thoughts and rewarding or punishing them accordingly. "Invisible sky daddy" is a humorous term to describe these characteristics.

Quote:How is a divine force irrelevant?

Because it is not needed. Scientific branches such as biology, astronomy and physics have provided us with invaluable knowledge about how the universe and living organisms came to be. No scientific hypothesis requires the existence of some divine force creating and controlling everything.

Quote:Is there much of a difference between atheists and creationists? Creationists conclude the world was created in 6 days because of x. Atheists conclude there is no God because of x.

Yet x may be proven wrong. We may find something new about physics or cosmology (Imagine that) so perhaps at this present time, the universe CAN be explained without God...so what? The universe is going to get more complicated. Just as Dawkins says, 'Cosomology is waiting for its Darwin.' We know squat about the universe, for any person (theists or atheist) to conclude God or no God started the universe, is silly. We dont know anything about our universe yet...

Yes, Creationists believe the world was created in 6 days because some ancient book written by ignorant people says so. Not all atheists conclude there is no god. Most atheists just do not accept the claim for one due to lack of evidence. We tend to avoid blindly believing in stuff that has zero evidence supporting it.

Quote:Well, if you are being serious, N.T Wright is one of the leading experts in the Historicity of Jesus...

Even if this person known as Jesus existed, which again there is little to no historical evidence to support his existence (the bible does not count). The thought of him willingly sacrificing himself being nailed to a cross (he knew he was going to come back to life after a couple of days and become vice ruler of the universe so it wasn't much of a sacrifice) just to "save" us for being born sounds preposterous.

Quote:Perhaps we shouldnt trust out mind then?

No you shouldn't. Just because you may be able to imagine some divine being looking after you doesn't make it real.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

Atheist I Evolved!
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RE: Stephen Hawking: God was not needed to create the universe - by DiRNiS - September 12, 2010 at 4:57 am

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