RE: Black People - Stop Blaming Racism, Take Responsibility
April 28, 2015 at 12:41 pm
(This post was last modified: April 28, 2015 at 12:43 pm by Napoléon.)
People are still going on about whether racism is a thing or not?
When was it ever in dispute?
Because you've been providing all the intelligent insight here? Give me a break.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of that. But how is it relevant to any of the points I've brought up in the thread? I'm still yet to see a clear explanation on that. Except for using it as an excuse for bad behaviour, or the way things are.
Do carry on with these insightful comments that are completely besides the point.
Did I say racism was over? Did you watch the video in the fucking OP? How many times do I need to make it clear, I'm not debating whether racism is an issue.
Read what I'm saying instead of having your own argument.
What are you even talking about? You must be reading a completely different discussion to me, at least put that quote in context. Your contentions have been addressed multiple times in this thread but you seem to have blinders on. I've said, and the videos I've posted have all said, it's not about racism. Yes racism is the cause for many problems. I've already 'conceded' that, even though I never fucking argued against it in the first place. What I'm saying is it's not an excuse for bad behaviour. You say you've conceded that, I must have missed it. Seems like you just want to argue over nothing.
Again, nobody said otherwise. Where are you people getting this shit from?
Oh, a point that essentially backs up everything I've said throughout the damn thread.
Attitudes.
This is what I've been talking about. "Fuck the police". "Don't snitch". "Acting white". It's the communities of black people that perpetuate these attitudes.
There's no justification for it. I understand why these attitudes exist, even though certain people want to tell me I know nothing of American racial history, which is flat out insulting and disingenuous. But the point is, perpetuating the stereo-types doesn't aid the cause.
A-fucking-men.
When was it ever in dispute?
(April 28, 2015 at 11:44 am)Pizza Wrote: I have a few things to say and then I'm out, if no one has anything informative to actually add.
Because you've been providing all the intelligent insight here? Give me a break.
Quote:"Again, excuses. I'd just be going over what I've already said here. Slavery was a looong time ago."
It has not been that long here in the U.S.; in fact, if you add the successful white terrorist during reconstruction era, Jim Crow laws("segregation state and local laws enacted after the Reconstruction period in Southern United States"), and sharecropping an update version of slavery had been alive and kicking in America up until 1960s or 70s. So, the aftermath of that long period of oppression isn't going away magically. We're still trying to pick up the pieces in this country.
I don't necessarily disagree with any of that. But how is it relevant to any of the points I've brought up in the thread? I'm still yet to see a clear explanation on that. Except for using it as an excuse for bad behaviour, or the way things are.
Do carry on with these insightful comments that are completely besides the point.
Quote:"Civil rights have been won."
Some battles have been won. This doesn't mean racism is over.
Did I say racism was over? Did you watch the video in the fucking OP? How many times do I need to make it clear, I'm not debating whether racism is an issue.
Read what I'm saying instead of having your own argument.
Quote:"When they're born in the ghetto, it's not about slavery. It's not about racism. It's about economics." Where do you think the ghettos in America came from? The sky? Doubling down on this point is absurd when you know nothing of American racial history. Just concede the point. We've already conceded people need to take ownership of their bad choices. Why can't you concede a point?
What are you even talking about? You must be reading a completely different discussion to me, at least put that quote in context. Your contentions have been addressed multiple times in this thread but you seem to have blinders on. I've said, and the videos I've posted have all said, it's not about racism. Yes racism is the cause for many problems. I've already 'conceded' that, even though I never fucking argued against it in the first place. What I'm saying is it's not an excuse for bad behaviour. You say you've conceded that, I must have missed it. Seems like you just want to argue over nothing.
(April 28, 2015 at 12:05 pm)Yeauxleaux Wrote: It's not all down to black people taking responsibility. Racism is still a thing
Again, nobody said otherwise. Where are you people getting this shit from?
Quote:Objectively though, if there's one area I think they (well, some of them, it's not all) can improve on, it's to stop saying that caring about education and speaking in standard English is "acting white". That's very damaging. It's not only defeatist, it is internalised racism.
Oh, a point that essentially backs up everything I've said throughout the damn thread.
Attitudes.
This is what I've been talking about. "Fuck the police". "Don't snitch". "Acting white". It's the communities of black people that perpetuate these attitudes.
There's no justification for it. I understand why these attitudes exist, even though certain people want to tell me I know nothing of American racial history, which is flat out insulting and disingenuous. But the point is, perpetuating the stereo-types doesn't aid the cause.
(April 28, 2015 at 11:49 am)AFTT47 Wrote: They have built an entire culture based around bad behavior and ignorance. In both cases, I'm speaking of a community as a whole, of course - not individuals.
African Americans need to do better. One of the biggest things they need to do IMHO is to embrace those of their own who succeed rather than treating them as outcasts.
A-fucking-men.
