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Tories and Daily Mail hit new low
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RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low
(May 12, 2015 at 9:15 am)abaris Wrote:
(May 12, 2015 at 8:57 am)Dystopia Wrote: Among other things, it means that the UK can bring back the death penalty or even deport immigrants, both European and non-European

And what a huge step for civilization that would be.

Thanks for clarifying that it means exactly what it appears to mean.

I'm not an expert on UK Law but I know for a fact that the ECHR forbids the death penalty for almost all crimes (I think exceptions are made in times of war and crimes against the State like national treason, etc.) and because the European court for human rights has sovereign institutional power it can force you trough directives and warnings to create laws to fulfil the principles of the declaration - So if Britain planned to bring back the death penalty obviously the court would not allow it and if Britain had the death penalty and then jointed the convention it would be mandatory to abolish it as a ratification requirement... 

I am not saying I agree with bringing back the death penalty but it is one of the things that would be allowed - Deporting immigrants is a more controversial issue because non-Europeans can be deported after some requirements are filled but citizens from EU member States are a harder, more complicated case - One of the reasons I think UKIP is stupid is because they don't realize getting out of the EU would only allow them to deport EU citizens but they are mostly against non-European (Muslims, Pakistanis, etc.) immigrants.

In a Liberal-democrat-capitalist State the death penalty is unthinkable and incompatible with our conception of human rights, for those who believe it exists - The story would be different in a non-liberal State because our views on morality, human rights and individual freedoms would drastically change in a way we cannot begin to imagine.

I think Brits may want some sovereignty back and obviously both the EU and the ECHR are a limitation, but as long as a new bill of rights is made I don't see the problem - Some human rights are extremely hard and annoying to fulfil and then there are conflicts between several people's rights. Blasphemy laws are caused partly by the ECRH and the UN's declaration of Human Rights because religious freedom is put on an almost absolute pedestal. Other rights I can think of that are complicated to manage and fulfil are the right to work (you can't employ everyone), the right to a home (what if I refuse to pay the rent? the right is absolute), the right to free speech (the ECRH openly allows restrictions to protect "public order" so there are contradictions between the notion of free speech, human dignity and enacted censorship we've been witnessing all over Europe not only with blasphemy laws but also with excessive numbers of prosecutions merely for offending someone or being plain stupid)
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Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Iroscato - May 11, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Minimalist - May 11, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Cyberman - May 12, 2015 at 9:10 am
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by dahrling - May 11, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Minimalist - May 11, 2015 at 3:17 pm
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Iroscato - May 11, 2015 at 3:20 pm
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Minimalist - May 11, 2015 at 3:41 pm
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Saxmoof - May 11, 2015 at 3:56 pm
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by vorlon13 - May 11, 2015 at 3:58 pm
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Minimalist - May 11, 2015 at 4:01 pm
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Tiberius - May 11, 2015 at 4:03 pm
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by abaris - May 12, 2015 at 8:54 am
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Napoléon - May 12, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Saxmoof - May 11, 2015 at 4:10 pm
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Pyrrho - May 12, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by robvalue - May 11, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Ben Davis - May 12, 2015 at 8:09 am
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by robvalue - May 12, 2015 at 1:01 am
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by robvalue - May 12, 2015 at 8:16 am
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Dystopia - May 12, 2015 at 8:57 am
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by abaris - May 12, 2015 at 9:15 am
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Dystopia - May 12, 2015 at 9:53 am
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by abaris - May 12, 2015 at 10:08 am
RE: Tories and Daily Mail hit new low - by Ben Davis - May 12, 2015 at 10:10 am

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