(May 19, 2015 at 3:59 pm)Freedom4me Wrote:(May 19, 2015 at 12:36 pm)robvalue Wrote: That does sound like something that would be from Christianity. Sadly, Christianity can focus very heavily on making you hate yourself. It sets standards that are so high you are almost certain to fail, and fail constantly.
It's a dirty, disgusting trick. Morality, any morality that matters, is about the wellbeing of life on this planet. It's not about the feelings of undemonstrated magical beings. I'd rather curse god's name all day long than hurt someone. This is another trick: the conflation of sins with actual immoral, harmful acts. If you stop and examine them in this way, you'll see the two are not related except by coincidence.
If God values his ego higher than the wellbeing of humans and animals, then he is not worthy of praise.
Tell me, robvalue, do you think justice is something worthy of praise? Is love worthy of praise? How about truth? As I see it, God is the personification of these and other intrinsically good things.
Justice? That's a slippery term. I think I'd prefer fairness. Justice seems a heavy handed word, concerned more with dealing out revenge. I don't want people who have wronged others to suffer because of it as such, I just want what is necessary to keep them from causing more harm. A silent arbiter handing out judgement based on random rules which no one else gets a say in doesn't seem like any kind of fair system. That's a tyrant.
Love is good, yes. Certainly very little of that from the biblical God. Guess what his most frequent interaction is with humans in the bible? It's killing them. Conservative estimates put his kill count, including those he commanded, at 2.5 million making him the most prolific and sadistic genocidal murderer ever. He holds people's eternal souls hostage (I'm pretending this is all real for the sake of argument) to blackmail you into submission. No, that's not love. That's an abusive authority figure, a fascist dictator.
Truth is important, yes. I don't know what God has to do with truth, he can't even demonstrate himself to exist.
So really, God is a psychopathic murderous evil sadistic tyrant, lording it over a helpless creation for his own amusement. At the same time, he provides absolutely no compelling evidence for his followers to present to anyone else to even convince them he's at all real. Not even anything to win over people worshipping those false gods.
I'm not going to worship anyone or anything, ever. It's a twisted concept. A being like a god should not require anything from me, and one who demands it certainly does not deserve it.
If God does want to come discuss things with me rather than hiding outside of science and doing an impression of a non-existent entity, he is very welcome! Something tells me he won't though, because I'm not already convinced he is talking to me. It's kind of a prerequisite.
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