RE: To all believers: Do you believe in miracles?
September 20, 2010 at 12:40 am
(This post was last modified: September 20, 2010 at 12:50 am by everythingafter.)
(September 20, 2010 at 12:00 am)annatar Wrote: Did jeusus really turned the water into wine?
John Crossan's methodology of checking the Bible against itself and against other contemporary writings at the time helps to narrow in on what Jesus actually did versus what his followers said he did. As for the wine miracle, it is located in John 2:1-11 with only a single attestation and in what Crossan defines as the "second stratum" of time, that is 60-80 C.E. A single attestation would be the least likely event to be believed to have happened because it is said to have occurred in only one source, and a late source at that. Thus, since it appears nowhere else, John could have simply added that part, and John is the last gospel account to have been written, adding to and embellishing on the earliest, Mark, the other two, and earlier accounts, deemed not worthy to be included in the canon.
As for miracles, humans look for patterns and coincidences to affirm their faith. As a former believer, I remember doing this. However many recovered cancer patients one can drum up who might claim they had family members and church members praying for them, I can produce an equal number of equally prayed-for patients who weren't as "divinely healed." Selective god or no god? The choice is clear. Shameless plug: I addressed the topic of miracles here.
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We have lingered in the chambers of the sea | By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown | Till human voices wake us, and we drown. — T.S. Eliot
"... man always has to decide for himself in the darkness, that he must want beyond what he knows. ..." — Simone de Beauvoir
"As if that blind rage had washed me clean, rid me of hope; for the first time, in that night alive with signs and stars, I opened myself to the gentle indifference of the world. Finding it so much like myself—so like a brother, really—I felt that I had been happy and that I was happy again." — Albert Camus, "The Stranger"
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We have lingered in the chambers of the sea | By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown | Till human voices wake us, and we drown. — T.S. Eliot
"... man always has to decide for himself in the darkness, that he must want beyond what he knows. ..." — Simone de Beauvoir
"As if that blind rage had washed me clean, rid me of hope; for the first time, in that night alive with signs and stars, I opened myself to the gentle indifference of the world. Finding it so much like myself—so like a brother, really—I felt that I had been happy and that I was happy again." — Albert Camus, "The Stranger"
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