RE: Faith vs Belief
May 24, 2015 at 3:08 pm
(This post was last modified: May 24, 2015 at 3:29 pm by Anima.
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I think it is the difference between the form and the function:
Belief is the form and faith is the function.
As such, the act of accepting information without sufficient "proof" is faith. The combination, correlation, and/or integration of that information is a belief.
Ergo, I believe black holes exist by means of the faithful application of gravitational and general relativity theory.
You need not be amazed. Theists often enough disassociate themselves from their theistic views and adopt an atheistic position in order to do something their theistic position prohibits. As expressed in another thread regarding the natural, ethical, and moral laws. When moral and ethical conflict it is natural (and proper) that the ethical shall prevail. The bastardization of this truth is to default to the ethical law not out of conflict but out of convenience when the moral law imposes an less than subjectively desirable position.
I agree with your holy book test I think it would be fun. But I do not subscribe to sola scriptura.
See Munchhausen's / Agrippa's Trilemma concerning the need for faith (even by atheists)
Belief is the form and faith is the function.
As such, the act of accepting information without sufficient "proof" is faith. The combination, correlation, and/or integration of that information is a belief.
Ergo, I believe black holes exist by means of the faithful application of gravitational and general relativity theory.
(May 24, 2015 at 1:30 pm)robvalue Wrote: It would be amazing if we could somehow give theists a "day of atheism". Nothing weird, just kidnap a load and fuck with their brains or something. Just enough to remove their religious beliefs. Then we could see how many of them try and murder and rape all the people they see. I'd bet that all but any actual properly disturbed psychopaths would be surprised by their lack of action, and indeed urge. Then put their brains back to normal and return them to wherever theists go. A church!
It's like anything, if you're told you can't do it, it has some sort of weird appeal. But as soon as it's fair game, it loses that mystery and it's just dull.
It would be very interesting to force theists to go through their holy book and honestly highlight which parts they follow, moral wise, and which parts they don't. What percentages do you think we'd be looking at? About 5% of the former I reckon.
You need not be amazed. Theists often enough disassociate themselves from their theistic views and adopt an atheistic position in order to do something their theistic position prohibits. As expressed in another thread regarding the natural, ethical, and moral laws. When moral and ethical conflict it is natural (and proper) that the ethical shall prevail. The bastardization of this truth is to default to the ethical law not out of conflict but out of convenience when the moral law imposes an less than subjectively desirable position.
I agree with your holy book test I think it would be fun. But I do not subscribe to sola scriptura.
See Munchhausen's / Agrippa's Trilemma concerning the need for faith (even by atheists)
