(May 29, 2015 at 9:56 pm)Exian Wrote: Lately, I've been very disinterested in anything to do with religion, which is probably why I've been so inactive with a majority of the discussions here. I just have a hard time taking it seriously. For me, the problem starts with man writing the bible; I can't get past that fact to lend myself to any other argument for the existence of a biblical god. Things only get slightly more fun with discussions on non-personal, I.D style gods, but not by much.
Now, I know that most Abrahamic theists believe that the authors were divinely inspired, but that's so fucking weak, so here are a few questions I'd like answered (yeah, this shit again):
1. What are your reasons for believing the authors were divinely inspired? (I'm not looking for definitive proof or anything, just your reason, so "because the bible says" is perfectly acceptable to me.)
2. What do you make of the fact that written language is a human invention?
3. Is there anybody that you know of who you would believe if they told you some stuff they wrote was the word of god, or divinely inspired? Why or why not?
4. What role does time play in the believability of a claim that some written words are the word of god?
5. Do you think religion would exist if writing was never invented?
I guess that's it for now. Again, I don't care what your reasons are, I'm not even really looking to argue, so "I just do believe" is fine. Just curious. Although, I may have comment or follow-up questions depending on the answers.
Ill try to answer from my perspective before I realized it was all bullshit and deconverted, I had been in essence forced into Christianity as a child and was privately schooled or home schooled up until 6th grade with a Christian education.
1. I was told because the Bible says so and because that is what the Sunday school teachers and preachers said as well. I was indoctrinated to accept this at face value without questioning it. It became ingrained into my psyche so to speak. The whole don't rely on your own understanding argument.
2. I didn't encounter this as far as I can recall so I don't have an answer to this. For spoken language it was taught that the tower of babel story where people were tying to build a tower into heaven and god created all the different languages to confuse everyone so they couldn't build the tower.
3. Now I would not believe a word of it without evidence. Prior to that any preacher/pastor or trusted friend is who I would have believed, again this mind think was indoctrinated since childhood.
4. None that I can recall
5. I think it some sense it would, either as a method of comfort those who don't want to face what reality is, or as a method of control. Writing is not entirely essential for religion to exist. For example the Native Americans had theistic beliefs in many of their tribes but didn't have written language and passed down their beliefs through oral histories, stories, allegories and principles (source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_religion additional sources at bottom of article for verification)
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