RE: Historian explains why Jesus ''mythers'' aren't taken seriously by most Historians
June 7, 2015 at 6:30 pm
(This post was last modified: June 7, 2015 at 6:36 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Quote:If you use your very broad definition on what makes a mythisist than every Atheist and Agnostic and non-Christian is by default one,Negatron, batman, you aren't, even under my definition...eh?...you believe that there is a kernel, a core, a historical jesus. One assumes that you have sources in mind for this historical jesus.
Quote:since if you don't believe in the supernatural you obviously can't believe in the Jesus of the bible. However with that broad of a definition it kind of makes the whole idea an irrelevant.That I do not believe in the supernatural doesn't -make a myth- or a legend. Sure, they're positions on each others periphery, bnot depend on the other. Even if magic were real, the text would still be demonstrably unreliable as history, or the account of the life of an actual person. Some magic, some miracles would be possible...that wouldn't make this text or these miracles any more true than they currently are.
Quote:While I have a way better grasp on the historical process and ancient sources than most people on these boards, biblical scolarship isn't really my area of expertise. I'm pretty sure Bart Erhman has written a book on the historical Jesus and it would probably answer that question more than I could. All I'm qualified to say is that the Mythisist argument that I've commonly heard (such as Jesus not having primary sources, or because there is magic in the Gospels there can't be a historical person) isn't consistent at all with what we know about how ancient sources actually were.Again, arguments you've heard propped up by the opposition - and responses from people -regarding- those misapprehensions. The mythicist position is that the jesus narrative is mythical and legendary by reference to myth and legend...not by reference to ones status of belief in the supernatural. Sure, the miracles shit is a song and dance - and if we don't believe in miracles then we don't believe in the miracle man portion of jesus..but that doesn't make "the rest of him" historical, nor does the mythicist position stop with those obvious tall tales.
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