Abraham and Jewish History?!?

[solja247]

I'll ask this again. Who takes the the dreamtime credibly? Who is this "we" that thinks it is true?

Its not a very good example. I am not sure what other cultures had oral history (I imagine the Egyptians and other empires would of, untill writing became a more efficent way to transcribe history)
I believe 100% that the Aboriginals believed that the rainbow serpent created their world they lived (and sprits). I also believe in the time of Moses a Jew already knew the story of the garden of Eden, as it was passed down by oral tradition.

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Because there is no evidence for his existence...

Why?
Give me evidence of other people who lived 4000 years ago, we know very little historical figures back then...

You don't have a skeptical mind.

I am slightly skeptical, I used to be more, but I realiesd that being a skeptic was infutile and pointless, I saw the light

1. Every fucking culture in times of pre-literacy had a strong oral tradition. Because of this do you believe every story passed down from pre-literate cultures?

I believe there is an essense of truth...

No we fucking don't, only you do, and at the same time you reject the oral traditions of every other ancient culture that doesn't already agree with you.

Like what?

Case and point being all of the other cultures who amazingly survived through the flood period with no fucking mention of it, not even in their oral traditions, which of course you don't dismiss because they are so inherently reliable...

I dont really know if I believe in a litteral flood but a lot of other cultures DO have a flood story...

If you've got something on your mind, let's hear it.

Romans 13:1-7 is addressing that although, Christians have to obey God and citzens of God's kingdom, Christians thought they didnt have to obey the law or their Roman rulers, Paul says they have to and even goes as far as too say they are set up by God. Paul says this for political civility, not so much saying that if you speed or disobey the emporer, you will go to hell, but so that Christians didnt think they were above the law, thats the jist of it. When I finish my essay I would be happy to share it...
If you want more information read James Dunn's commentary on Romans...

The idea of eternal hell, which you said before, is a pagan belief, the bible does not support this idea in zero verses...More Christians are seeing that hell according to the bible, is a place where the 'bad' people go and are destroyed for all eternity...

Thats just a summary, I can expand if you want me too...

I could ask the same about Jesus, Moses, Abraham and god. I can't believe you that it like that, wasn't it obvious that'd be my answer?

If people want to dismiss a historical Jesus, they should dismiss Socrates, he has even less evidence of existing than Jesus...

What pagan crimes are you talking about? It wasn't pagans and polythesists who forced people to believe in their religion, it wasn't them who killed and tortured anybody who disagreed or refused to convert, and it wasn't them that caused all the problems in the world. Look at the history when christianity came to power in Rome, it was followed by the Dark Ages of brutal warfare, poverty and plauge when tried and tested herbal medicene of the ancient world was denounced as witchcraft by the church and people were ordered to pray to god to become cured of illness and disease... and it didnt work.

Christians in the Persian empire were largely persecuted by Zorostrian preists. Some pagans would kill their children and sacrifice it to their gods, do you think Christianity is worse than that?

And because a handful of them were christian you think this makes them any better?

I never said that. My point was that Christians held a lot of power in Mongolia and did not persecute any religions...

You judge a man by his actions; that's where I was coming from, and it is a fact that because christianity teaches man that god made the world to exploit and that all non-christians are devil worhsippers that the behaviour trend of christians has been to exploit and murder ceaselessly.

Not at all. Where does it say we should exploit the world?
Note: Use the Hebrew word, not the English word...

Dare to learn!

Like wise

2) There is good reason to believe that the Exodus never happened. Had migrants to the number of even a small fraction of the 600,000 claimed in the Bible truly sojourned in the Sinai Peninsula for 40 years, archaeological evidence of their passage would be abundant. In fact, there are no traces of any signifant group living in the Sinai at the supposed time of the Exodus.

Actually there is a case that 600,000 people is a mistranslation. That, infact, it should be, '600 families.' Which would make the number about 20,000 not 600,000 men...

When doing so it is important to remember one thing. Finkelstein's assessment of the origin of these stories is done by political and archaeological realities of the time. There was a political entity centered on Jerusalem. As a convention Finkelstein refers to the name of this king as "Josiah" but we have no evidence in the record that such a person existed.

lol. evidence? the skeptics will always dimiss everything unless there is evidence! There is no Hitites! There was no David! There was no X,Y or Z.
Did the Hitities come into existence after 20th century? or had they been there all along?

Minimalist, do you know how they differentiate between a Jew and a non-Jew establishment?