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Faith vs Belief
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RE: Faith vs Belief
(June 11, 2015 at 3:36 pm)whateverist Wrote: GC - your last post put me in mind of a bit of writing by e.e. cummings about a man who sits on a chair on a tightrope and sways.  In the process of looking for that quote I found this other I like even better.  I'm pretty certain it comes from his "Six Non-lectures", one of my three favorite books.

http://www.mrbauld.com/ee.html

Quote:Mostpeople fancy a guaranteed birthproof safetysuit of nondestructible selflessness. If mostpeople were to be born twice they'd improbably call it dying-

you and I are not snobs. We can never be born enough. We are human beings;for whom birth is a supremely welcome mystery,the mystery of growing:the mystery which happens only and whenever we are faithful to ourselves. You and I wear the dangerous looseness of doom and find it becoming. Life,for eternal us,is now;and now is much too busy being a little more than everything to seem anything,catastrophic included.


I think the "most-people" he finds fault with include true-believers.  Their "birth proof safety-suit" consists of the beliefs they cling to which guarantee they will never be renewed by a new and larger vision.
Quote:GC
Seems to me that his understanding of Christianity is limited at best if he believes Christians are not renewed everyday by new and larger visions, at least for those who continue to pursue their relationship with God.
 For them the thought of such a re-birth can only be felt as a loss.  Since they so identify with their beliefs, anything which threatens them entails what they feel to be their death.
Quote:Again I must say his understanding of Christianity is limited, Christianity is a rebirth, if it were not it would be a useless religion and can be a rebirth daily if we desire that. Also we have the eternal resurrection, the ultimate rebirth.


But people who embrace the mystery are not snobbish about their existing beliefs.  "We" leave our beliefs at risk and do not identify with them in such a way.
Quote:Christians embrace the mysteries we face with God through our faith and we come to understand we risked nothing by leaving what we use to believe, we come to this understanding through study of scripture and revelations from God, this is belief.
 We welcome the rebirth of a better world view or paradigm change.  More light, more inclusion, more understanding .. we just say let it be.  Let what is limiting and mistaken fall away and let my new self move forward.  In death is life, not catastrophe.
Quote:Christians embrace their rebirth, why because we were looking for a change for a better life and better world view. We come into a new light and hope for greater inclusion, we say let it be your way God our omniscient savior. We say God guide us forward through life to be what others need us to be. The scriptures teach us that death leads to a new and better life in this world and the next.

GC

Sorry I believe I used the quote bracketing wrong, but I'm sure you will figure that out.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - May 23, 2015 at 12:39 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by KevinM1 - May 23, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - May 23, 2015 at 12:56 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - May 24, 2015 at 9:04 am
RE: Faith vs Belief - by KevinM1 - May 24, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - May 24, 2015 at 1:14 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by robvalue - May 24, 2015 at 9:25 am
RE: Faith vs Belief - by robvalue - May 24, 2015 at 1:30 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - May 24, 2015 at 1:33 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by robvalue - May 24, 2015 at 1:35 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by dyresand - May 24, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - May 24, 2015 at 2:34 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by dyresand - May 24, 2015 at 5:58 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Anima - May 24, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - May 24, 2015 at 7:15 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - June 5, 2015 at 12:18 am
RE: Faith vs Belief - by ignoramus - June 5, 2015 at 4:51 am
RE: Faith vs Belief - by robvalue - June 5, 2015 at 7:15 am
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - June 5, 2015 at 10:50 am
RE: Faith vs Belief - by robvalue - June 5, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - June 5, 2015 at 7:29 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - June 7, 2015 at 1:03 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by comet - June 9, 2015 at 7:16 am
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Godschild - June 10, 2015 at 3:05 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - June 10, 2015 at 6:35 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by comet - June 10, 2015 at 7:57 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - June 11, 2015 at 11:33 am
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Godschild - June 11, 2015 at 1:00 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - June 11, 2015 at 3:36 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Godschild - June 12, 2015 at 5:42 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - June 12, 2015 at 5:57 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by comet - June 12, 2015 at 3:58 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - June 12, 2015 at 4:35 pm
RE: Faith vs Belief - by comet - June 13, 2015 at 7:54 am
RE: Faith vs Belief - by Whateverist - June 13, 2015 at 9:30 am
RE: Faith vs Belief - by comet - June 16, 2015 at 3:42 pm

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