(June 14, 2015 at 12:23 am)bennyboy Wrote:(June 14, 2015 at 12:18 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: Woah Woah Woah... this is a massive red herring. Last minute reveal is not a quality of transgendered people. It is a quality of a bad person. If a transgendered person didn't tell an intimate partner they were about to have sex with that they are preoperative trans, then the person cannot make a fully informed decision in consenting to a sexual encounter.
Woah woah woah, you. I agree 100% with everything you said. That's why this thread is pissing me off-- I'm not against people being transgendered, and I support Caitlyn's right to be / be called whatever she wants. But if woman means what people here are saying it means, then there IS no reponsibility to inform before a sexual accounter, because according to them a pre-op transgender person is in fact fully woman. A full woman who just happens to be packing a penis.
Yes, there is. What you are implying here applies to every human, transgender or not. That's why it is a red herring. Every human has a responsibility to make sure his/her sexual partner is fully informed. If a person is into a choking or bondage fetish and he chokes or whips a partner on the first sexual encounter without discussing it beforehand, he has done the same thing. He has engaged in a sexual encounter without fully informing his partner. You are suggesting that a transgender woman doesn't recognize the fact that she has a penis, or that she automatically doesn't care if anyone has an issue with that sexually. If she doesn't care, that makes her a bad person. This is not endemic to the transgender population.
A preoperative transgender male to female is a female, with a penis. Gender=female, sex=male. Believe me, she is aware of the penis. Just because she asks you to refer to her as a woman, and her brain has been telling her she is a woman her whole life in most cases, doesn't mean she expects everyone to ignore the appendage that she is, by all accounts, acutely aware of. A lot of FtM transgenders will tell you about their phantom penis. It is a very acute syndrome.
What is comes off as, bennyboy, is that you think these people are making flippant decisions with the intent to somehow game the system.
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