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The Trinity Explained
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RE: The Trinity Explained
I'll give Kudos as well, but I feel the need point out:

(September 30, 2010 at 1:06 am)DeistPaladin Wrote:
(September 29, 2010 at 11:51 pm)Godschild Wrote: First Christ gave His life for us, He sacrificed Himself for us, His sacrifice was not made to the Father so God did not sacrifice Himself to Himself.

When you make an animal sacrifice to appease the gods (or Yahweh) for your sins, the animal isn't being sacrificed to the priest. The animal is (theoretically) being sacrificed to the gods to appease their wrath.

In cultures that offered human sacrifices to appease the gods, the human isn't dying for the community, even though the are theoretically the beneficiaries. The human is being sacrificed to the gods.

Jesus was essentially to be the penultimate sacrifice for sins, to appease the wrath of Yahweh and pave the way for our salvation (theoretically). He replaced the need for animal sacrifices as he performed that very role. He was sacrificed to Yahweh, as the previous animals were. You can't use the fact that we are (theoretically) the beneficiaries to obfuscate the issue. Yahweh is who he was sacrificed to.

But he IS Yahweh, and so he is sacrificing himself to himself in order to convince himself to forgive us.

Clear?

This.


The phrase "Sacrificed himself, to himself" is not an erroneous statement.
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The Trinity Explained - by FadingW - September 18, 2010 at 3:24 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 4:30 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by krazedkat - September 19, 2010 at 10:28 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - September 19, 2010 at 11:00 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Tiberius - September 20, 2010 at 3:58 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Ashendant - September 20, 2010 at 9:40 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 20, 2010 at 11:29 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 20, 2010 at 11:47 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 21, 2010 at 10:57 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 22, 2010 at 12:37 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 23, 2010 at 7:42 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 23, 2010 at 8:43 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by theVOID - September 20, 2010 at 6:55 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by padraic - September 21, 2010 at 12:04 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 19, 2010 at 11:06 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Entropist - September 20, 2010 at 8:35 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by josh.niles - September 20, 2010 at 11:52 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by chatpilot - September 20, 2010 at 7:24 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by annatar - September 20, 2010 at 11:44 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - September 22, 2010 at 2:09 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 20, 2010 at 11:51 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by krazedkat - September 21, 2010 at 12:00 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 21, 2010 at 12:42 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Entropist - September 21, 2010 at 12:57 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 22, 2010 at 8:18 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 26, 2010 at 10:08 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by theVOID - September 26, 2010 at 10:25 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 27, 2010 at 3:51 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - September 27, 2010 at 12:26 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 27, 2010 at 5:02 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - September 27, 2010 at 10:20 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 28, 2010 at 3:36 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by The Omnissiunt One - September 27, 2010 at 5:23 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - September 28, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tavarish - September 30, 2010 at 10:49 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 1, 2010 at 12:29 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 1, 2010 at 4:52 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 2, 2010 at 1:28 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - October 2, 2010 at 2:38 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 2, 2010 at 9:59 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - October 3, 2010 at 1:06 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 5, 2010 at 1:15 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 9:40 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 11:57 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by downbeatplumb - October 5, 2010 at 12:44 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 5:07 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 5:32 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Zen Badger - October 3, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 4, 2010 at 10:15 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - October 4, 2010 at 11:03 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Zen Badger - October 5, 2010 at 6:26 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Zen Badger - October 2, 2010 at 3:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 2, 2010 at 10:09 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 2, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Zen Badger - October 3, 2010 at 1:25 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by KichigaiNeko - October 3, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 28, 2010 at 7:53 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 29, 2010 at 11:51 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - September 30, 2010 at 1:06 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 30, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 1, 2010 at 12:09 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 1, 2010 at 12:27 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Edwardo Piet - October 1, 2010 at 7:08 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Jaysyn - October 1, 2010 at 7:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - September 30, 2010 at 11:48 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tavarish - September 30, 2010 at 2:06 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - September 30, 2010 at 5:14 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tavarish - October 1, 2010 at 11:07 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 30, 2010 at 12:12 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 1, 2010 at 12:54 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 1, 2010 at 12:11 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 1, 2010 at 8:14 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 2, 2010 at 2:14 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 2, 2010 at 10:09 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - October 2, 2010 at 3:18 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 3, 2010 at 2:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 5, 2010 at 2:36 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - October 5, 2010 at 6:18 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 11:42 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 4:54 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 5:11 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 5:25 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by The Omnissiunt One - October 5, 2010 at 5:26 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 1:07 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 2:20 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 5:34 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by theVOID - October 5, 2010 at 3:28 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 4:28 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 4:56 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 5:16 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 4:57 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 4:58 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 5:19 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 5:34 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 5:56 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 6:05 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 5:37 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 5:45 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by theVOID - October 5, 2010 at 5:49 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2010 at 3:34 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by theVOID - October 7, 2010 at 5:30 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 6:02 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by downbeatplumb - October 6, 2010 at 1:21 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 7, 2010 at 4:09 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 7, 2010 at 4:23 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 8, 2010 at 9:42 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 5, 2010 at 11:34 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 11:49 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 6, 2010 at 12:11 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tavarish - October 6, 2010 at 11:40 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 6, 2010 at 1:12 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 6, 2010 at 1:02 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 6, 2010 at 2:13 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - October 7, 2010 at 12:35 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 8, 2010 at 9:39 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by gmjackson - October 7, 2010 at 2:01 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 7, 2010 at 3:29 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 8, 2010 at 6:26 am

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