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The Trinity Explained
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RE: The Trinity Explained
(October 5, 2010 at 11:57 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Jesus wasn't the penultimate sacrifice, he was the ultimate sacrifice. Jesus couldn't be sacrificed to Yahweh, because Jesus is Yahweh. That would be illogical. Jesus was God sacrificing himself for us. On our behalf. It wasn't humans doing the sacrifice this time, but God. Only 'not God' could sacrifice anything to God.

As DBP pointed out, this argument makes no sense whatsoever. Aside from that, there are a few more problems:

Jesus was the sacrifice that fulfilled the need for further animal sacrifices. The OT deals with such sacrifices as methods for atonement for sins and pleasing Yahweh. To take this method of divine appeasement seriously (setting aside the question as to how do gods benefit from blood on their alters again and why a human sacrifice is the ultimate sacrifice), this is like paying the entire balance on a credit card instead of the minimum payments. Correct?

If so, the same rules apply. Animal sacrifices were made TO Yahweh to atone for sins. These are like minimum payments to a credit card company. Along comes Jesus to be the ultimate sacrifice. He's like paying off the balance in full. So we (theoretically) benefit as our sins are forgive (the debt is paid off, as Christians often like to say in their analogies). So Jesus paid for our sins? Who did he pay? He didn't pay us, as you don't pay a debtor for their own debts. You pay the creditor, Yahweh. Just as you pay the credit card company to have our debts forgiven, Jesus was sacrificed TO Yahweh to pay for our sins.

Also, it wasn't Yahweh who drove in the nails and raised the cross.
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
...      -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
...       -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
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The Trinity Explained - by FadingW - September 18, 2010 at 3:24 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 4:30 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by krazedkat - September 19, 2010 at 10:28 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - September 19, 2010 at 11:00 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Tiberius - September 20, 2010 at 3:58 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Ashendant - September 20, 2010 at 9:40 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 20, 2010 at 11:29 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 20, 2010 at 11:47 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 21, 2010 at 10:57 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 22, 2010 at 12:37 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 23, 2010 at 7:42 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 23, 2010 at 8:43 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by theVOID - September 20, 2010 at 6:55 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by padraic - September 21, 2010 at 12:04 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 19, 2010 at 11:06 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Entropist - September 20, 2010 at 8:35 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by josh.niles - September 20, 2010 at 11:52 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by chatpilot - September 20, 2010 at 7:24 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by annatar - September 20, 2010 at 11:44 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - September 22, 2010 at 2:09 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 20, 2010 at 11:51 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by krazedkat - September 21, 2010 at 12:00 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 21, 2010 at 12:42 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Entropist - September 21, 2010 at 12:57 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 22, 2010 at 8:18 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 26, 2010 at 10:08 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by theVOID - September 26, 2010 at 10:25 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 27, 2010 at 3:51 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - September 27, 2010 at 12:26 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 27, 2010 at 5:02 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - September 27, 2010 at 10:20 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 28, 2010 at 3:36 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by The Omnissiunt One - September 27, 2010 at 5:23 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - September 28, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tavarish - September 30, 2010 at 10:49 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 1, 2010 at 12:29 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 1, 2010 at 4:52 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 2, 2010 at 1:28 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - October 2, 2010 at 2:38 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 2, 2010 at 9:59 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - October 3, 2010 at 1:06 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 5, 2010 at 1:15 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 9:40 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 11:57 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by downbeatplumb - October 5, 2010 at 12:44 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 5:07 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 5:32 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Zen Badger - October 3, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 4, 2010 at 10:15 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - October 4, 2010 at 11:03 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Zen Badger - October 5, 2010 at 6:26 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Zen Badger - October 2, 2010 at 3:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 2, 2010 at 10:09 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 2, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Zen Badger - October 3, 2010 at 1:25 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by KichigaiNeko - October 3, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 28, 2010 at 7:53 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - September 29, 2010 at 11:51 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - September 30, 2010 at 1:06 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - September 30, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 1, 2010 at 12:09 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 1, 2010 at 12:27 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Edwardo Piet - October 1, 2010 at 7:08 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Jaysyn - October 1, 2010 at 7:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - September 30, 2010 at 11:48 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tavarish - September 30, 2010 at 2:06 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - September 30, 2010 at 5:14 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tavarish - October 1, 2010 at 11:07 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - September 30, 2010 at 12:12 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 1, 2010 at 12:54 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 1, 2010 at 12:11 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 1, 2010 at 8:14 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 2, 2010 at 2:14 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 2, 2010 at 10:09 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - October 2, 2010 at 3:18 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 3, 2010 at 2:31 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 5, 2010 at 2:36 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tackattack - October 5, 2010 at 6:18 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 11:42 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 4:54 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 5:11 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 5:25 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by The Omnissiunt One - October 5, 2010 at 5:26 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 1:07 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 2:20 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 5:34 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by theVOID - October 5, 2010 at 3:28 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 4:28 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 4:56 pm
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RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 4:57 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 4:58 pm
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RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 5:34 pm
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RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 6:05 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 5:37 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 5, 2010 at 5:45 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 5, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by theVOID - October 5, 2010 at 5:49 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 6, 2010 at 3:34 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by theVOID - October 7, 2010 at 5:30 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 5, 2010 at 6:02 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by downbeatplumb - October 6, 2010 at 1:21 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Watson - October 7, 2010 at 4:09 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 7, 2010 at 4:23 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 8, 2010 at 9:42 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 5, 2010 at 11:34 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by DeistPaladin - October 5, 2010 at 11:49 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 6, 2010 at 12:11 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by tavarish - October 6, 2010 at 11:40 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Anomalocaris - October 6, 2010 at 1:12 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 6, 2010 at 1:02 am
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 6, 2010 at 2:13 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by IceSage - October 7, 2010 at 12:35 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Godschild - October 8, 2010 at 9:39 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by gmjackson - October 7, 2010 at 2:01 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by Minimalist - October 7, 2010 at 3:29 pm
RE: The Trinity Explained - by fr0d0 - October 8, 2010 at 6:26 am

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