RE: The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work
June 29, 2015 at 11:45 am
(This post was last modified: June 29, 2015 at 12:10 pm by robvalue.)
Well I'm not talking to God, I'm talking to you. If God wants to come see me, he is welcome. What we are doing is discussing morality. If God has "given" me morality, clearly he has given me a different set than he gave you.
I think abortion and porn are fine yes, when proper care and attention are paid.
I think abortion should be a last resort, and not used as contraception. But the world is vastly overpopulated, and it's stupid to have a child for the sake of it when there isn't a family ready who want it and can support it. I understand arguments against it and it's not a clean cut issue. Unfortunately for you, the bible condones abortion and also straightforward genocide; city by city. I can provide verses if need be. So it's not a good point of comparison. Clearly you are not getting your morality from where you think you are.
I think people have the right to do what they want with their bodies, and if they want to be paid to show them off on camera then that is up to them. As long as it's safe and there is no coercion I don't see the problem. I'm all for making it safer, I'm not for telling women (or men) what they can't do. More addictive than heroin? That's ridiculous. Sadly not a good point to pick since your bible treats people literally as property and condones actual rape. So again, the bible does not back you up in what you say. I wouldn't have anything to do with porn that I had reason to believe involved any kind of coercion or abuse.
Here's some examples of my morality, if you are interested:
I'm vegan, and I try and buy products which are not tested on animals. In this way, I try and reduce the suffering my existence causes on animals worldwide. I try and do my bit to help people and animals where I can, donate to charities, do volunteer work for good causes, and I came to this forum partly to support fellow atheists who are in countries less accepting of it than mine. I try and be nice to everyone, and to make the world a better place in whatever little way I can. I try and avoid hurting anyone whenever possible, and to look after the environment.
I would not learn any of this from the bible. All it represents is what passed for morality 2000 years ago and it has no relevance to society today.
I think abortion and porn are fine yes, when proper care and attention are paid.
I think abortion should be a last resort, and not used as contraception. But the world is vastly overpopulated, and it's stupid to have a child for the sake of it when there isn't a family ready who want it and can support it. I understand arguments against it and it's not a clean cut issue. Unfortunately for you, the bible condones abortion and also straightforward genocide; city by city. I can provide verses if need be. So it's not a good point of comparison. Clearly you are not getting your morality from where you think you are.
I think people have the right to do what they want with their bodies, and if they want to be paid to show them off on camera then that is up to them. As long as it's safe and there is no coercion I don't see the problem. I'm all for making it safer, I'm not for telling women (or men) what they can't do. More addictive than heroin? That's ridiculous. Sadly not a good point to pick since your bible treats people literally as property and condones actual rape. So again, the bible does not back you up in what you say. I wouldn't have anything to do with porn that I had reason to believe involved any kind of coercion or abuse.
Here's some examples of my morality, if you are interested:
I'm vegan, and I try and buy products which are not tested on animals. In this way, I try and reduce the suffering my existence causes on animals worldwide. I try and do my bit to help people and animals where I can, donate to charities, do volunteer work for good causes, and I came to this forum partly to support fellow atheists who are in countries less accepting of it than mine. I try and be nice to everyone, and to make the world a better place in whatever little way I can. I try and avoid hurting anyone whenever possible, and to look after the environment.
I would not learn any of this from the bible. All it represents is what passed for morality 2000 years ago and it has no relevance to society today.
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