Open Letter To Christians

[Drich]

That translation about the holy spirit is a mere convenience for you. In the translation I quoted originally, it merely says "good gifts." There is no mention of the holy spirit. We'd have to go to the source texts to figure out which translation is closer, but it doesn't really matter because even then we could still go back and forth about which translation is more valid.

"Good gifts" are used in place of "The Holy Spirit" In non Trinitarian bibles. Such as the Mormon version of the bible and the one the J/W's use. The translations you are using are known as contextual or doctrinal translations. They bend the orginal texts to fit a given demonational teaching rather than truly represent how the orginal greek presents, as with the case of a literal translation which most bibles are. Doctrinal bibles have to omit the Greek words like "ἅγιος/hagios"= Holy and πνεῦμα pneuma =Spirit which if you click on the link is clearly apart of Luke 11 which means my translation is indeed more accurate.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm...onc_984013

Suffice it to say that, at best, this passage may or may not be talking about those who seek the holy spirit, but the rest of the passage seems to read as if it's talking about god'd gifts in general.

That's the thing pinky The Holy Spirit is THE Good gift God offers. Why? Because the Holy Spirit literally provides absolutely anything we can need and or want to establish and maintain our belief. It is through the Holy Spirit that "Prayers, and even our petitions get answered.

You're simply adhering to the bent that is more convenient for your argument, which leaves me to do the same.

Ah... no. What I have does is provide an accurate exegesis of Luke 11 and Mat 7 concerning the common verses they share by compiling the teaching and providing a singular biblically based doctrinal truth, by citing book chapter and verse as well as providing an on line/verifiable link to the orginal text and it's meaning. What you did was try and baffle me with conjecture and unfounded speculation about what you think my approach was based on nothing.

Do you see the difference?
Me= explaination based on three points of verifiable refrence.
You= flash in the pan explaination based on what you think about the bible, citing nothing.

As for my "un-cited scholars," I'm talking about whoever it is that teaches the preachers I've been listening to since I was a child (which includes a wide range of speakers from various corners of the faith). Any time I've heard the aforementioned passages taught, the aforementioned interpretations have been the ones in play. One of the unfortunate things about ancient texts like these is that they're so easy to bend, warp, and simply mis-quote for the convenience of the argument at hand.[/color]

But, do you see how their explaination does not include the whole context of the complete passage? They would have to literally ignore everything said from verse 15 to the end of the chapter concerning what Christ said about forgiveness or pretend that the context provided by verse 15 to the end of the chapter is indeed about forgiveness and then verse 19 Christ suddenly breaks away from his teaching on forgiveness and then tells everyone to just wish in groups to get what you want from God, then in verse 20 goes right back to speaking about forgiveness..

How target locked one have to be to not see that everything said in that block of text is about forgiveness? Take the verse denotations out of the text and read through again. Does it make sense that Christ mid stream stop his teaching about sin and forgiveness and the out of the blue in a single breath teach how to get wishes granted by praying in twos, and then next breath go back to teach forgiveness following up a parable on the subject?

Sorry no. you and your 'scholars' got it wrong.

Have you stopped to consider that maybe the reason your faith failed is because you were wrong on too many critical issues that God could not support your understanding of Him? After all why would God positively reinforce something He does not want you to understand or believe?

So when you were old enough to test your faith you rightly found out that your understanding of God does not exist...