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Poll: Overpopulation is a serious problem and you get to cast the deciding vote. Which do you choose?
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It is more important that people can decide how many children they want to have, than that they can have enough food to eat. So I vote that there will be no forced restrictions on having children, and so millions of people will starve to death.
36.00%
9 36.00%
It is more important that people do not starve to death, than that they have the freedom to reproduce at will. So I vote that there will be forced restrictions on having children, and so people will be forcibly made sterile once they have children.
64.00%
16 64.00%
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Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote.
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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote.
(July 11, 2015 at 10:27 am)Chuck Wrote: Except the individuals are not merely deciding for themselves.  They are deciding for many others.

Basically, you prefer to live in the way you prefer by letting others die who would preferred to live, then to live in ways you don't prefer and let other also live, which they prefer.

No. I prefer to value rights over futile transgressions. My having one son has not, to my knowledge, resulted in one death. If you have information otherwise, I'd be happy to see it.

(July 11, 2015 at 10:27 am)Chuck Wrote:  To argue that just because we are bound to all die, therefore we ought to be free to safeguard our optional abstract rights  for ourselves by placing at greater jeopardy sooner the lives of others is to more completely bankrupt the concept of rights.

[Emphasis added -- Thump]

This is a misunderstanding of my point. It is not based on death of the individual, but on species extinction, and the reason that this is an important nuance is because the argument in favor of forced birth-control for humans is not based on the preservation of individual lives, but on the species as a whole. By conflating the two in the emboldened clause, you are making a category error. It's also an overweening application of consequentialism without taking into account things like social stability (who would give their loyalty to a government which arbitrarily decided to sterilize them?), and still ignores my point that such a government could not be trusted to exercise that power in a just manner.

Edit: It was me conflating the two, not Chuck. I apologize for imputing to him a view he wasn't propounding.

I still think there are better ways to address dangerous population growth than giving any government such powers as to mutilate their citizens.

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 11, 2015 at 1:04 pm

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