Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote.

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Poll: Overpopulation is a serious problem and you get to cast the deciding vote. Which do you choose? This poll is closed.
It is more important that people can decide how many children they want to have, than that they can have enough food to eat. So I vote that there will be no forced restrictions on having children, and so millions of people will starve to death.	36.00%	9	36.00%
It is more important that people do not starve to death, than that they have the freedom to reproduce at will. So I vote that there will be forced restrictions on having children, and so people will be forcibly made sterile once they have children.	64.00%	16	64.00%
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Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote.

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote.

July 11, 2015 at 6:05 pm

Pyrrho Wrote:

(July 11, 2015 at 4:26 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: ...

Losing the right to bear children, as per context, is not the same as being tortured for life. Nor is being tortured for life as likely to happen as death, given certain variables, such as population growth and unavailability of resources.
I don't see what it brings to the conversation to point out that there might be worse things than death or extinction.

I was expressing disagreement with a principle that you claimed:

(July 11, 2015 at 12:07 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote: ...

If I had the choice between extinction and anything else at all, I would choose anything else. This is obviously the thing to do.
That is why it was brought up. If you believe your principle is irrelevant to the topic, why did you bring it up? And if it is relevant, then whether it is true or not is surely relevant.

That is not exactly a principle of mine, I may have omissed something so as not to make the mistake of pointing out the obvious. See what I mean?

What I meant was, if I had the choice between extinction and survival, barring a scenario where survival would be undesirable overall, of course, I would choose the survival of the species. It is hard to imagine a scenario in which everyone's life would be hell, with no hope for redemption[excuse the reference to The Shawshank Redemption; big fan!], and it would be even harder to implement such a state of affairs in the current universe, what with its entropy principle and everything else. Some would say even impossible. But you seem to give it credibility, apparently.

Pyrrhp Wrote:

The best current scientific evidence suggests that everything will die. That is why I believe it.

Regardless, I will be dead anyway, so it is irrelevant to my life.

What scientific evidence suggests that everything will die? I know of no such evidence. Nor do I accept your eschatological premise. You sound like a religious nut.

You can't possibly know whether you'll ever die or not. And you won't ever know know, either, obviously.

Pyrrho Wrote:

I have over 500 "alerts." I ignore them.

Ok. I get why you do that, but how do you browse then, if I may ask?

It would be wonderful to get some tips, seeing how I'm a Newbie

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Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 10, 2015 at 9:21 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 10, 2015 at 9:39 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by dyresand - July 10, 2015 at 9:46 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 10, 2015 at 10:05 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Ashground - July 10, 2015 at 9:45 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 10, 2015 at 10:08 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Dystopia - July 10, 2015 at 9:49 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 10, 2015 at 10:43 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Dystopia - July 11, 2015 at 8:27 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by IATIA - July 11, 2015 at 3:30 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Tiberius - July 10, 2015 at 9:53 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Cinjin - July 11, 2015 at 2:17 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Minimalist - July 11, 2015 at 11:46 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 10, 2015 at 10:06 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Jackalope - July 10, 2015 at 10:12 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 10, 2015 at 10:50 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Anomalocaris - July 11, 2015 at 10:24 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Jackalope - July 11, 2015 at 2:49 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Anomalocaris - July 11, 2015 at 3:57 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Whateverist - July 10, 2015 at 10:17 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 10, 2015 at 11:28 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Cato - July 10, 2015 at 10:52 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Exian - July 10, 2015 at 11:25 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 10, 2015 at 11:44 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Exian - July 10, 2015 at 11:47 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 10, 2015 at 11:57 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 11, 2015 at 1:47 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 11:38 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 11, 2015 at 12:13 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 12:57 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 11, 2015 at 1:13 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 2:00 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Ravenshire - July 11, 2015 at 9:28 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 11, 2015 at 9:33 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Exian - July 10, 2015 at 11:52 pm

Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by KUSA - July 11, 2015 at 1:33 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 11, 2015 at 2:33 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Anomalocaris - July 11, 2015 at 10:27 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 11, 2015 at 1:04 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 1:24 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 11, 2015 at 2:42 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 3:30 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 11, 2015 at 12:05 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by robvalue - July 11, 2015 at 2:46 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by robvalue - July 11, 2015 at 2:49 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 2:09 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Longhorn - July 11, 2015 at 5:26 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 12:07 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 1:11 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 2:59 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 3:25 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 4:26 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 5:02 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 6:05 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by IATIA - July 11, 2015 at 6:11 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 6:18 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by IATIA - July 11, 2015 at 6:45 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 8:12 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 11, 2015 at 10:18 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 11:27 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 12, 2015 at 4:16 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 12, 2015 at 4:51 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 12, 2015 at 4:54 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 6:35 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 7:00 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 7:10 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Minimalist - July 11, 2015 at 12:36 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 1:00 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Minimalist - July 11, 2015 at 3:27 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 11, 2015 at 1:08 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Aoi Magi - July 11, 2015 at 1:37 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by rado84 - July 11, 2015 at 2:07 pm

Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by KUSA - July 11, 2015 at 3:22 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 11, 2015 at 6:28 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 11, 2015 at 6:40 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 6:56 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 11, 2015 at 7:04 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 11, 2015 at 7:11 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 11, 2015 at 7:13 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 7:17 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 11, 2015 at 7:34 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 7:18 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 11, 2015 at 7:36 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 9:41 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 11, 2015 at 7:51 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 7:07 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 11, 2015 at 7:46 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by IATIA - July 11, 2015 at 8:02 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 9:18 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Regina - July 11, 2015 at 3:54 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by IATIA - July 11, 2015 at 3:57 pm

Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by KUSA - July 11, 2015 at 7:19 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by The Grand Nudger - July 11, 2015 at 7:32 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 11, 2015 at 7:35 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Minimalist - July 11, 2015 at 7:51 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by The Grand Nudger - July 11, 2015 at 9:45 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 11, 2015 at 9:51 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 11:57 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 12, 2015 at 4:52 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Clueless Morgan - July 11, 2015 at 10:22 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Whateverist - July 11, 2015 at 11:30 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 11, 2015 at 11:44 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 12, 2015 at 5:01 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 12, 2015 at 9:25 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by The Grand Nudger - July 12, 2015 at 8:23 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Dystopia - July 12, 2015 at 2:49 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Clueless Morgan - July 12, 2015 at 4:36 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 12, 2015 at 5:51 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by BrokenQuill92 - July 12, 2015 at 6:47 pm

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