Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote.

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Poll: Overpopulation is a serious problem and you get to cast the deciding vote. Which do you choose? This poll is closed.
It is more important that people can decide how many children they want to have, than that they can have enough food to eat. So I vote that there will be no forced restrictions on having children, and so millions of people will starve to death.	36.00%	9	36.00%
It is more important that people do not starve to death, than that they have the freedom to reproduce at will. So I vote that there will be forced restrictions on having children, and so people will be forcibly made sterile once they have children.	64.00%	16	64.00%
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Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote.

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote.

July 11, 2015 at 7:51 pm (This post was last modified: July 11, 2015 at 7:57 pm by Catholic_Lady.)

(July 11, 2015 at 7:18 pm)excitedpenguin Wrote:
(July 11, 2015 at 6:40 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yup, seems like the next logical step, in this sort of thinking. Scary stuff, if you ask me.
It's only scary if you identify with the unborn ones*, which you shouldn't; they are, by definition, non-existent.
*I mean to say unconceived, though, as far as embryos go, they shouldn't matter either, as they can't really feel anything[as far as I know, that is; please correct me if I'm wrong about embryos. Anyway, my principle is this: don't care about it if it can't feel/know/think/grow(this means to say, if it can't develop without considerably endangering its own species in the process) or do any other thing considered human or even animal].

Just some clarification here in regards to the bolded. Smile

A human is referred to as en embryo only for the first 2 months of his/her existence (may be different for other unborn animals, bur for humans it's 2 months). After that, he/she is referred to as a fetus until the time of birth. Once he is born, unless he is born very prematurely, he is referred to as an infant.

As for your feel/know/think/grow thing...

Well, in regards to feel, experts say we were able to begin feeling pain at 4-5 months in the womb.

Know/think - It's impossible to know what goes on in the mind of fetuses and younger infants, and of course, none of us can recall when we were in that position. But studies do show that at 7 months in the womb, we do begin going into REM sleep, which is the sleeping stage where we dream.

Grow - Well, we are all growing non stop from the moment of conception until we finished puberty. We were growing especially fast when we were still in utero. So yes, unborn humans and other animals are growing.

Hope that helps!

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Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 10, 2015 at 9:21 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 10, 2015 at 9:39 pm

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Ashground - July 10, 2015 at 9:45 pm

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Dystopia - July 11, 2015 at 8:27 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by IATIA - July 11, 2015 at 3:30 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Tiberius - July 10, 2015 at 9:53 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Cinjin - July 11, 2015 at 2:17 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Minimalist - July 11, 2015 at 11:46 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 10, 2015 at 10:06 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Jackalope - July 10, 2015 at 10:12 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 10, 2015 at 10:50 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Anomalocaris - July 11, 2015 at 10:24 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Jackalope - July 11, 2015 at 2:49 pm

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Whateverist - July 10, 2015 at 10:17 pm

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 11, 2015 at 1:47 am

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Exian - July 10, 2015 at 11:52 pm

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Anomalocaris - July 11, 2015 at 10:27 am

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 3:30 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 11, 2015 at 12:05 pm

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 2:09 pm

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 12, 2015 at 4:54 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 6:35 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 7:00 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 7:10 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Minimalist - July 11, 2015 at 12:36 pm

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 11, 2015 at 6:28 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 11, 2015 at 6:40 pm

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 7:18 pm

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 11, 2015 at 7:51 pm

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by IATIA - July 11, 2015 at 8:02 pm

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RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Minimalist - July 11, 2015 at 7:51 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by The Grand Nudger - July 11, 2015 at 9:45 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Catholic_Lady - July 11, 2015 at 9:51 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Excited Penguin - July 11, 2015 at 11:57 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Thumpalumpacus - July 12, 2015 at 4:52 am

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Clueless Morgan - July 11, 2015 at 10:22 pm

RE: Overpopulation: You get to cast the deciding vote. - by Whateverist - July 11, 2015 at 11:30 pm

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