(July 5, 2015 at 2:11 pm)IATIA Wrote:(July 5, 2015 at 12:12 pm)Rekeisha Wrote: Why do you ask?
Various documentaries have shown a basic set of morals in the ape family. Does this mean your god gave morals to the apes?
(July 12, 2015 at 10:18 am)Chad32 Wrote:(July 12, 2015 at 10:06 am)Rekeisha Wrote: God is not a person He is God a deity a almighty being. We are made like Him, He is not like us.
If there is no moral absolute then you have no foundation on which to judge anything as right and wrong. You would be just arbitrarily stating what is right and wrong.
I can't trust your judgment on what you say about God and His people because you don't have a foundation on which to make judgements.
If he's not a person, he's not worth worshiping. I might as well be worshiping the trees.
Yes, we do have a foundation. That foundation is consistent data. It's not arbitrary to say something is wrong, when it's been historically proven to cause problems. All you're doing is making special pleading for your god, saying it's not subjective when he says something is right or wrong, even though that's what subjective means.
You keep saying the same thing over and over, ignoring my examples without giving good reasons for doing so. You want to put your god on a pedestal for no apparent reason, and we keep going in circles. Why are we even having this conversation anymore?
I ignore your data because you first told me that all morals are subjective. So it take that to mean based on what they feel and think
Society A says that Murder is right
Society B says that Murder is wrong
Since in your world view both society are no better than the other and their morals are only subject to their society then neither are truly right.
You also stated that you can know right and wrong by researching through history.
I have asked you before by what criteria you judge what is right and wrong and you said that it is by your upbringing which is also subjective. So I am going to label your society Society C.
Society C now judges Society A and B. The results of Society C is right for that society but it has no authority to tell Society A or B wither their societal morals are right and wrong because it too is only subjectively judging.
So all we have are a bunch of societies judging other societies on their arbitrary morals because it doesn't have to do with reality but only societal preferences.
I am talking to you because I would hope you would understand that you borrow from God to judge God because you don't have a true right and wrong from which to judge. He gave us these instincts of what right and wrong are. The fact that you use them to judge Him is a judgment on yourself that you instinctively know that He exist but instead of worshiping Him you reject Him which causes gaps in your thinking. Your refusal of an absolute right and wrong, which as I have explained above, leads to there being no right and wrong. I hope that you would address this contradiction in your thinking. You either have to give up on say that you would never worship an evil God because in your world view there is no true evil or if you want to accept that there is a true right and wrong you consider where true moral come from because the don't come from us.
