(July 14, 2015 at 2:33 am)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote:Quote: The human race comes from God so we are like him because he is the originator.
That’s a claim that you can’t back up. However, this is something I’m getting very used to, when briefly talking with theists. “I know exactly how many stars are in the universe at any given time.” That’s what your claim looks to non-believers.
Quote:Let take me and my mother for instance. I look like my mother she doesn't look like me because she existed before me and I get some of my DNA from her.
You’re wrong there. If one things looks like another, then they look like each other.. If Mountain X looks like Mountain Y, then they look like each other, no matter what order you phrase them into a sentence. If Mountain Y looks like X, you can’t say that Y doesn’t like X, it doesn’t any make sense. This has no relevance to anything, so we can just drop that.
Quote:By what means do you judge God?
Well, I don’t know a god, so it would be hard for me to judge one. Nevertheless, I can look at our world as critically as possible, and see a lot of messed up stuff going on every single day. All you need to do is turn on the news for a few minutes to see a murder, rape, people starving to death everyday, etc. To me, if there is a god, that god doesn’t care about us, or is a deistic god that just doesn’t intervene at all. Does god choose one person to save in a natural disaster over another? Does god choose to prevent one rape, but not another? Many christians seem to think he intervenes in these type of ways. If you believe that, then you’re a little crazy. “Thank you god for the food on the table, thanks for answering our prayers.” Meanwhile, in a 3rd world country, there are christians crying out to god, and he doesn’t answer. It seems that your god doesn’t intervene or prefers you to other people starving to death.. which doesn't sound like the characteristics of a god that loves us all the same.
Quote:How can you claim what is right and wrong?
First off, I think morality is subjective, so, I can claim whatever I want about it. You’re allowed to think spray painting a blasphemous phrase on a church is wrong, I’m allowed to think raping someone is wrong, and John Doe may think killing someone for no reason is ok. Some people will disagree with me on some things, some will disagree on many things. Most civilized people can agree that going out and raping, murdering, and stealing is wrong, hence, we as a people, decided that the law should include those things in order to attempt to protect everyone else from those things, that most of us would agree is wrong.
What I just read is that you don't have any real foundation on which to judge God. All of you morals are arbitrary because you just do what you feel. I can't tell you are wrong because there is no right and wrong. When you don't start with God you do as you did and start with yourself, but if everyone is starting with themselves then there is not true foundation. People change and are only alive for a short amount of time. You can't build a true coherent existence off of people if you actually want to live by what is right and wrong.
Now if you are going to be intellectually honest with your world view you can do whatever you want to people and people can do whatever they want to you and there will be no right and no wrong. You will also have to stop claiming religion is doing anything positive or negative or that God is good or bad because that definition does not exist in your world view.
I can claim what is good or bad because I have a standard that doesn't change and that is God. He isn't just the standard for good but for all truth. He wants to correct your brokenness and made that possible by dieing for your sins on the cross all you have to do is repent, or stop living your life on your own terms, and seek His forgiveness as your Lord and Savior.