The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Redbeard The Pink]

I have a few 1) my relationship with Him. 2) When I was too young to read He told me about Himself and everything He said to me is in the Bible  3) the fact that no one has ever observed coherent consciousness thought come from any non-consciousness thing.

1) That relationship exists inside your head. It is not something you can demonstrate for peer review, so it is not evidence.

2) No. When you were too young to read, your parents/church teachers told you about the bible, and convinced you that you would always be able to believe everything it says. They made this easier by presenting only "kid-friendly" versions of these stories that you were unlikely to question or be offended by.

3) That is not an argument. Conscious thought comes from things with brains, and we can see evidence of how brains and conscious thought came into being from earlier forms of life that did not have those things. Consciousness comes from nature.

What I have read form this statement is that there really isn't disorder in the universe. So how did this order come about in light of your world view?

Then you didn't really read the statement properly, or you're deliberately straw-manning it to make it easier to dismiss with your semantic bullshit. The universe and the various systems that comprise it are in a constantly-shifting equilibrium of order and disorder, and this order comes about from the fact that matter is acted on by universal forces with consistency, and these natural processes create systems that possess what humans define as "order" (which generally just means that they tend to move in patterned, consistent, predictable ways).

So you say the universe didn't create right and wrong only reality so by your statement there is no right and wrong because it isn't apart of reality. Does that also mean there isn't any logic, reason or knowledge? Or when did the universe in your world view create these.
How did these rules of the universe come about?

No. You idiot. Morality is not dictated by the universe, but that does not mean it does not exist. It means that objective morality does not exist. Subjective morality does exist, and for humans that morality generally consists of some combination of a person's cultural influences and their personal views on morality. There is no absolute standard for it.

Furthermore, knowledge, logic, and reason are not rules of the universe either. Those are human words to describe abstract concepts and thought processes.

You have already stated before that right and wrong are not apart of reality in your world view so you have no bases on which to make this statement. In your world view you are being arbitrary by judging God on what you claim is hypocrisy. As a mater of fact you can't judge anyone on anything because your judgment is just from you imagination because it is not a part of what you say is reality.

No. Stop with the straw-men already. I never said right and wrong are not part of reality. I said they are not dictated by objective reality. Right and wrong are part of reality, they're just not part of nature. They are human concepts created to categorize things that humans observe into things they like and things they don't like. I can absolutely make a judgement based on my personal morality, but I'm also aware of the fact that my judgement is exactly that: mine. There just happen to be various moral principles that many humans tend to agree on (probably owed to our evolutionary tendency toward cooperation), so there are cases where humans collectively get together and establish mutual moral agreements amongst a culture. This is where right and wrong comes from for everyone. You think it comes from god and your bible because you do not understand this process.

Your world view can't account for any right or wrong because you have suppressed the truth about God and his Holiness. Yet, since He is loving, He sent His son into the world to die for your sin so that you could be made whole and come into a relationship with Him. A true relationship with God is a life of transformation into the likeness of God where you will be purified. A life of peace and strength comes from God because, with accepting Christ as your lord and savior, you will receive the Holy spirit to help guide you into all truth. You will also have the power to over come your sins. I have seen it in my life and in the lives of others.

I was a christian for 20+ years. Your Jedi mind tricks do not work on me. Jesus, Jehovah, the Holy Ghost...these are fictional characters...imaginary friends...they make you feel warm and fuzzy, but they give you nothing and do nothing for you.