Quote:There is right and wrong for most people. Many people will have different stances on abortion, legalization of drugs, marriage, and capital punishment. There will be many different opinions of these things, even within the christian community. So, there really isn’t an objective right and wrong, there is only opinion, on many issues. And, why don’t you tell me what is right and wrong? God says don’t kill, but orders people to kill in the bible. It seems a little hypocritical. What is right, killing or not killing? If you get your morals from the bible, you’re basically just picking and choosing what you feel to be moral, because of the contradictory and hypocritical nature of the bible. Instead of getting my morals from a primitive book of barbarism, I get it from logic, emotion, and observation. I don’t pick up a book, and say, “Ok, I’m following everything in that now, even if I do feel that it is evil.” That’s what crazy people do. Of course, that’s my opinion.
Again if there is only subjective morality then there is no true right or wrong. In your wold view there is just stuff. So some stuff doing things to other stuff can't be right or wrong because it is just stuff. No one is going out and claiming that bricks are morally wrong but we know that there is a way that we aught to behave because we are not just stuff. We have logic, thought, consciousness and that can not come from in animate things. It must come from a being that is also conscious being who thinks logically and has a moral code.
Quote: If you actually think you can’t be moral without a god, then you are the immoral one, in my opinion. If god keeps you from being an immoral person, I feel sorry for you. More to your point, I feel, yes, people can do whatever they want to each other, but that’s why we came up with real consequences to these things we consider to be wrong, rather than just man-made threats of hell that allegedly occur after you die.
Again this statement does not line up with our world view. We are just the happen stance of other stuff so the only things you can account for are the material things. You can't account for thought, reason, knowledge, or morals. There are in material and non-consciousness can not create consciousness. If lava runs over grass there is no moral out cry, but if a person abuses another person there is. That is because we are not just stuff. We embody the very image of God, who you are suppressing the truth of. We instinctively know what aught to do because He has put that in all of us. Yet our sin clouds our thinking because we would rather make the rules and guide our life than to submit to God. He, being righteous, must judge all of our misdeeds or He would not be righteous. Yet He being merciful and loving wanted to make a way for us to escape His wrath. He sent His son to take our place so that we would not just be saved but would also experience a new life and relationship with Him. One that is pure, abundant and holy.
Quote:Again, NOT TRUE. In the OT, God is mostly a megalomaniacal, jealous, genocidal, petty, immoral, anthropomorphic psychopath, and in the NT, he has some of those judgmental qualities, but became more of a loving being. Definitely not entirely, but his morals improved somewhat in the NT. He still throws you in hell, if you don’t accept him as a savior. The only evidence of jesus that is accepted by christians, is the evidence of him in the gospels, which isn’t good enough evidence for a rational human being. Even if there was good evidence for his existence, that doesn’t mean he did all of these supernatural miracles. That takes a MASSIVE leap of faith to just believe that those things actually happened.
Your world view's morals are all based on opinion and not reality. You judgment has no true foundation on which to judge what is right and wrong so you are just comeing to arbitrary conclusion
You speak of massive leaps of faith but your world view can't account for logic, knowledge, uniformity, or consciousness by which to judge wither my faith is anything.
Also like I have said before I know Jesus. I speak to Him everyday. I don't believe in Him because of the Bible but I believe the Bible because of Him.
Quote:Here’s an example of him not being good, Ex 21:20-21. Please be honest, and say, you’re right that is not good, not everything god says in the bible is good, or say I adhere to that morality. In that case, I’ll happily stop talking to your extremely immoral self. And for the rest of that stuff that you said, back it up or don’t bring it up. And, yes, I’ve tried to seek him out many times, but he doesn’t care to seek me back.I can make a judgment on those two lines of scripture and I could explain it to you because I have a standard that stands outside of myself. You could use your subjective morals to judge my statement. Then who would be right? If we used your wold view no one. If we use may standard of right and wrong we could compare it to the absolute truth and make a judgment from that.
