The Reasons why "Just Following Jesus" Doesn't work

[Redbeard The Pink]

My world-view doesn't see sin as arbitrary because I have a truth that is outside of myself that I can judge both my actions and other to see wither they are right or wrong. You on the other hand you claim that there are only subjective morals. So your anger can be your own but you can't make a truth claim about these things being bad because your world-view can't give any concrete moral reasons because they are only subjective. Your anger towards my statement shows me that you instinctively know the truth. It has nothing to do with your feelings or your opinion on the matter. People are imbued with a sacred nature and to see someone destroyed goes against that nature. You and everyone else are worth more than what you claim and your sin cost you more than you know.

I'm gonna try maybe one last time to get through to you, but you've been indoctrinated for a long time from the looks of it, so I doubt anything I could say would have any impact. Your arguments are sensationalist, wishy-washy regurgitations of a bunch of superstition, so you don't seem to have the critical thinking skills to really let this sink in, but nevertheless, here goes:


Try (and I mean, really, really try) to think of it this way: What if you found out for 100% certain that there is no god? I know this is going to be a difficult hypothetical for you, but seriously, try to picture this. Don't just say "I can't because I know there is." Don't cop out like that. Try this exercise. Pretend for a moment that there is no god.


So if you found out for 100% certain that there is no god, would you go out that day and start killing? Stealing? Molesting children? Remember, there's no god to stop you. You're not gonna get punished in hell, and an all-powerful being isn't going to see you do these things unless you get yourself caught. Would you do any of them?


If your answer is "Yeah, why would I not if there's no god?" then congratulations! Your morality is sourced by god. The only thing keeping you from being a danger to society is Jesus. How safe we all should feel.


If, on the other hand, your answer is "No, I wouldn't do those things even if I knew for certain god did not exist," then your morality must come from somewhere besides god.


Take me, for instance. I've been a christian most of my life. I only de-converted a few weeks ago. I do not believe any gods exist, and I hold this position of belief with 100% certainty until evidence proves otherwise. Since then, I've changed a lot of things about how I think and act, but you know what I haven't done? I haven't started stealing things. I haven't started cheating on my wife. I haven't started throwing babies in rivers. I haven't started raping or killing people. I haven't started being mean to animals. Do you know why? I'll give you a hint. It rhymes with "because that shit is horrible and I wouldn't want to do it to anyone."


I do not need your toddler of a god to tell me what right and wrong is. I know what it means to experience suffering. I know how I feel about people when they do things that make me suffer. I have an understanding that if I want to be treated well, I have to treat others the same way. I recognize that humans have happier, healthier lives when they cooperate and treat each other with kindness. I am able to sustain my existence without having to take from others or make them suffer. I have all of these reasons and more to act in a humane and ethical fashion.


Christians, on the other hand, do not have morality, but legalism. On some level I still think most of them have subjective morality, whether they realize it or not, but by their claims, they do not have morals. They have laws. Christians make decisions based on a written list of rules (sort of) with the belief that doing the right thing will get them into heaven, doing the wrong thing will get them into hell, and that the world might end soon. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE to make an altruistic, moral decision with knowledge of such rewards and penalties hanging over one's head. As such, the christian version of "morality" boils down to either fear or greed. Take your pick.