Quote:I’m not going to repeat myself again. Please listen, and absorb this, and don’t tell me again, that I just see people as stuff. We basically all have morality, and it’s subjective. The “some stuff doing things to other stuff can’t be right or wrong because it’s stuff.” is dishonest. I’m sure we can agree on many things that are moral, I don’t need a god to figure out that hurting people is wrong. I know how it feels to be hurt, so, in turn, I don’t to do that to others. It’s like the golden rule. Most people, don’t want to be treated like garbage, so, the best way to not be treated like garbage, is to treat others well, and in return, most of the time, you get treated well in return. If not, you do your best to avoid that person. Also, you keep making arguments from ignorance. Read up on some things from scientific experiments of life coming from non-life. Then read up on how this planet was ruled by bacteria for billions of years, and then how life slowly evolved into more and more intelligent and complex life. Check out the Miller/Urey Experiment, that’s a good start. I can understand why people believe in a prime mover, but most other things are well understood, and people don’t want to take the time to read it, because they think their holy book has all the answers.
You act like morals are flavors. Yes we may be able to agree on what food we think is tasty but that won't make me right or wrong about the food we eat. Now you know that morals are not the same. There is a way we aught to live and it isn't a subjective matter. Yet, you hold to the world-view that morals are subjective so you put them on the same level as flavor of food. You can't call for human rights because then you would be pushing your subjective morals onto someone else. If there is an absolute standard of what right and wrong are then you have a bases on which to judge the goings on in the world.
Also if we are just evolved form bacteria how did morals come from the mutation of dna?
Quote:No, my opinions are based on reality, not fantasy. My judgment has foundations in reality, yours are based on your belief that whatever is in the bible, is true, not matter if it’s false, evil, or extremely farfetched. That is a horrible way to live a life, thinking you know everything because you were raised with the bible. That doesn’t make you objectively right, because you were taught that this book was the one true book. That doesn’t make it true. Many others are brought up with other books claimed to be the truth, and to you, I’m sure they’re not. Why? Because you were raised that way. You are incapable of thinking for yourself; you don’t know how to think without that book of yours. Maybe, actually try to look at the bible, the way you would look at the koran. That would actually be a more honest approach of testing what you actually believe. You claim to talk to jesus every day, and claim you believe the bible because jesus talks to you, and not the other way around. Then, why doesn’t jesus do that with everyone on the planet? Why not visit every single person on the planet, and tell them the exact same thing? He obviously doesn’t do that, as you claim, because if that did happen, everyone would drop what they believed, and follow jesus. Maybe, send jesus my way, and if he doesn’t come, he either doesn’t care about me, or you’re just delusional.
What do you know about my life and how I was raised? How do you know how I live? Did I say that I was objectively right because I was taught it in a book. Did I say that it is the one true book?
How do you know I am incapable of thinking for myself?.
You are making a lot of judgments about my life, where are you coming up with these ideas? Are they only subjective to you and if they are why are pushing your subjective morals upon your idea of the way I live my life?
Quote:Yeah, still waiting on that interpretation, and how you feel about it. I could use my subjective morals to judge what you say, you are correct. I think you are withholding your opinion, because you know deep down, that it is immoral beyond imagination, but, because of your brainwashing, you are forced to believe in that wickedness, as if it was something good, because you were taught that god is always right and always good. Then who would be right?..you ask. No one would be right. I’d claim you’re sick in the head for believing that it’s ok to beat slaves, and you’d say, “No, it’s perfectly ok, because god said so.” They’d both be subjective opinions. I’d be entitled mine, and you’d be entitled to yours. Although, it truly isn’t yours, it’s the book you were brainwashed into to accept as truth no matter what. Let me give you a tip, it’s a good idea to question and be skeptical of things. It’s good not to believe everything you hear, and strongly question everything. That’s why science is the best thing we have, when it comes to what is true or not. I can’t claim absolute truth on science, but testing hypotheses over and over again trying to prove them false with everything you possibly can, allows you to figure out what is true and what is not in this reality. You should be putting that same method to the test with the bible. You should think to yourself, “HHMMMM, do I have a reason to believe that Samson killed 1,000 men with a donkey’s jawbone? or does this sound like a made-up story? Did Jonah spend 3 days in a whale? Or does that story sound made-up?” Do that for you own good. If you were raised believing in The Vedas, don’t you think it would be a good idea to question it? I’m sure you’d say, Yes. Do the same for the bible, they’re all books written by men.
You can't use your subjective judgment to see if I am correct you could only give me your opinion on my morals. In your world-view your morals are your morals and my moral are my morals and you don't have any claim on my morals and what I think is morally correct. If there was a standard by which to judge both or our morals then we could see if either are correct.
You are making an assumption on what I would say about the exodus verse.
Are you skeptical of your thinking? Are you skeptical of being skeptical? Do you strongly question wither there are only subjective morals? Do you strongly question that there is no God?
Do you strongly question wither you are a human? Do you strongly question that the reality you are in is real?
