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Opinion on this Creed
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RE: Opinion on this Creed
(July 16, 2015 at 8:10 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Something written and edited by actual philosophers would be a good start.  I have quoted from the two most prominent encyclopedias of philosophy. 

Irrelevant to the general meaning of the term. As an aside, I would not that the first use of the word atheist was by pagans to describe Christians, because Christians only believe in one god and not all of the rest of them.

(July 16, 2015 at 8:10 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: You have given me nothing in return. 

Just the general definition of the word.

(July 16, 2015 at 8:10 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Given your logic, theists could simply define their position as, "The true belief that God exists" and then say, "See!  God does exist!". 

You are mistaking words describing a state of belief or non belief in gods, for claim of proof their beliefs are correct. A lack of belief in god is a state of being, not an argument for or against god. Belief that there is no god is also a state of being, not an argument for or against god. Belief that there is a god is a state of belief, not an argument that there is a god.

(July 16, 2015 at 8:10 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: No, that is not how it works, atheists try to redefine the word atheism because they are trying to avoid sharing the burden of proof, unfortunately for them it simply does not work that way.  Once you have heard the concept of a god, you now either put forth positive belief or disbelief in this god, there is no longer a lack of belief. 

Belief in a claim, any claim, is not either or. It is always: proven, false, or unproven. For example, there is a quarter on my computer desk. I claim it is heads up. You can believe me, you can think I'm lying, or you can take the rational approach and remain undecided. Similarly, suppose there is a jar of jelly beans. I say there are 1003 jelly beans in the jar. The claim has been made. You can reject it, agree, or reserve judgment until the jelly beans are counted.

With regard to the god claim: gnostic atheists would say that there is no god; agnostic atheists (most of us) would say the god claim is unproven.

(July 16, 2015 at 8:10 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: I ask you to please demonstrate that groups of people are allowed to redefine the meanings of words for the purpose of personal gain.  If a married man thinks he is a bachelor it does not make it so.

People have been defining and redefining words since the beginning of language. The meaning of words changes over time. There's a whole branch of study devoted to that phenomenon. It's called entomology.

Setting words aside. I can't prove there is no god. I only claim that god remains an unproven claim. The burden of proving he exists remains on he who claims he does. What you suggest does away with the burden of proof altogether. The claim that big foot exists has been made. It is the burden of those claiming him to show big foot exists. The fact that most people find their evidence unconvincing does not shift the burden of proof to abigfootists.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god.  If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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Opinion on this Creed - by Kingpin - July 16, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Longhorn - July 16, 2015 at 5:03 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 16, 2015 at 5:44 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 16, 2015 at 6:26 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 16, 2015 at 6:32 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 16, 2015 at 6:42 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by KevinM1 - July 16, 2015 at 6:47 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 16, 2015 at 6:57 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 16, 2015 at 7:09 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 16, 2015 at 7:24 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 16, 2015 at 7:57 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 16, 2015 at 8:10 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 16, 2015 at 8:35 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Simon Moon - July 16, 2015 at 8:41 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Cato - July 17, 2015 at 3:21 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by JesusHChrist - July 17, 2015 at 3:58 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 17, 2015 at 3:59 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by KevinM1 - July 17, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Thumpalumpacus - July 17, 2015 at 6:24 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 17, 2015 at 6:57 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 17, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 17, 2015 at 7:53 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 17, 2015 at 8:12 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Cato - July 17, 2015 at 8:59 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Thumpalumpacus - July 18, 2015 at 11:57 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by KevinM1 - July 18, 2015 at 1:37 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Dystopia - July 16, 2015 at 8:39 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by JesusHChrist - July 16, 2015 at 5:07 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by The Valkyrie - July 16, 2015 at 5:09 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Minimalist - July 16, 2015 at 5:12 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Iroscato - July 16, 2015 at 5:15 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Longhorn - July 16, 2015 at 5:19 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by brewer - July 16, 2015 at 5:15 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by KevinM1 - July 16, 2015 at 5:17 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 16, 2015 at 6:21 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Spooky - July 16, 2015 at 6:37 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by KevinM1 - July 16, 2015 at 7:00 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 16, 2015 at 7:20 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 16, 2015 at 8:20 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 16, 2015 at 8:24 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 16, 2015 at 9:06 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Alex K - July 16, 2015 at 7:41 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Regina - July 16, 2015 at 8:07 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Minimalist - July 16, 2015 at 9:19 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Mudhammam - July 16, 2015 at 9:32 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Lemonvariable72 - July 17, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by robvalue - July 17, 2015 at 9:57 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 18, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by pocaracas - July 17, 2015 at 11:01 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by KevinM1 - July 17, 2015 at 11:33 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by robvalue - July 17, 2015 at 11:36 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by KevinM1 - July 17, 2015 at 12:41 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Longhorn - July 17, 2015 at 2:35 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Kingpin - July 17, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Longhorn - July 17, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Kingpin - July 17, 2015 at 2:57 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2015 at 3:00 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 17, 2015 at 3:23 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 17, 2015 at 4:56 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by pocaracas - July 17, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Longhorn - July 17, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 17, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Thumpalumpacus - July 17, 2015 at 4:27 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2015 at 7:35 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2015 at 8:39 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 18, 2015 at 12:41 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Kingpin - July 18, 2015 at 4:10 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Lemonvariable72 - July 18, 2015 at 11:29 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by The Grand Nudger - July 18, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by robvalue - July 19, 2015 at 6:42 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 19, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by robvalue - July 24, 2015 at 7:26 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 24, 2015 at 7:09 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Mudhammam - July 25, 2015 at 3:32 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Longhorn - July 25, 2015 at 1:39 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Salacious B. Crumb - July 25, 2015 at 3:37 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by robvalue - July 25, 2015 at 5:33 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by pocaracas - July 25, 2015 at 5:41 am

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