RE: Simple question for Christians.
July 17, 2015 at 10:03 am
(This post was last modified: July 17, 2015 at 10:08 am by Kingpin.)
As human beings, we have the capacity to feel with moral implications, to exercise the gift of imagination, and to think in paradigms. We make judgments according to the way we each individually view or interpret the world around us. Even if we do not agree with each other on what ought to be, we recognize that there must be—and that there is—an “ought.” For example, we all ought to behave in certain ways or else we cannot get along, which is why we have laws. In short, we ascribe to ourselves freedom with boundaries.
Yet too often we shun boundaries because we feel impeded or we’re afraid they will deprive us of what we think we really want. While we know that freedom cannot be absolute, we still resist any notion of limitation … at least for ourselves.
If morality is purely subjective, then you have absolutely nothing stopping anybody from being a subjective moralist and to choose to just zing one through your forehead and say, ‘That’s my answer’.
In other words, if morality is subjective, then there is no morality. Either a thing is immoral or it is not. Needless to say, this gets more problematic at the margins of the question, but the core of this principle is unassailable. If we say that morality is subjective, then there is no way we can justify saying anything is moral or immoral
hello Logan, I know this was intended for GC but I feel compelled to respond. As a Christian, I completely agree with you. Proselytizing ones faith on someone does no good. I think most people's opposition to Christians is that the person proclaiming to be Christian is not himself exercising the beliefs he espouses. GK Chesterton said it best:
“The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried.”
Even Gandhi recognized the problem:
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
Yet too often we shun boundaries because we feel impeded or we’re afraid they will deprive us of what we think we really want. While we know that freedom cannot be absolute, we still resist any notion of limitation … at least for ourselves.
If morality is purely subjective, then you have absolutely nothing stopping anybody from being a subjective moralist and to choose to just zing one through your forehead and say, ‘That’s my answer’.
In other words, if morality is subjective, then there is no morality. Either a thing is immoral or it is not. Needless to say, this gets more problematic at the margins of the question, but the core of this principle is unassailable. If we say that morality is subjective, then there is no way we can justify saying anything is moral or immoral
(July 17, 2015 at 9:44 am)loganonekenobi Wrote:(July 15, 2015 at 8:27 pm)Godschild Wrote: I know you all fight against the God of Christianity more than any other. You post about other gods as not being real. So I would say you have to work harder not to believe the Christian God might be real.
I will say this I agree with Chad, what real difference does it make and how relevant can this question be, you can't be an atheist an believe in a god of any kind.
GC
From what i observe the reason why I fight against Christianity so much is more because that is what is presented the strongest in America. If say it were Muslem or Jewish that were coming door to door or being plastered all over this countries highway billboards then it would be those faiths I would spend a larger portion of time arguing against.
True?
In fact I feel that if most of the Christians were like the Ammish in that they live their lives and don't prostylise their faith to others (try to recrueite) then this site wouldn't even be here.
I love the eastern practices of mind and body (yoga, meditation) but if there were people trying to tell me that if i didn't do these practices in THIS life time that i would suffer forever...I have only two choices right now.....make the right choice or else..... then I'dd say F' your practices I wont do it.
Do you understand? you may not see it but that's exactly what Christains do. We don't like that from anyone.
hello Logan, I know this was intended for GC but I feel compelled to respond. As a Christian, I completely agree with you. Proselytizing ones faith on someone does no good. I think most people's opposition to Christians is that the person proclaiming to be Christian is not himself exercising the beliefs he espouses. GK Chesterton said it best:
“The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried.”
Even Gandhi recognized the problem:
“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
We are not made happy by what we acquire but by what we appreciate.
