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Opinion on this Creed
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RE: Opinion on this Creed
(July 17, 2015 at 6:57 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: The first point seems to be false; millions of people have perceived the presence of god all over the world.
This isn't accurate. Millions of people claim to have experienced god; however, without demonstration the claim remains dubious. As I stated, god is invoked as a cause for any number of things; however, god is always mysteriously absent to other observers. Without corroboration, the claim cannot be verified. I have experienced any number of intense emotions that elicit real physical responses: nausea (burning bosom to Mormons), flushed skin, muscle tension, crying, headaches, etc. States of mind and attending physical responses are not the presence of god.

(July 17, 2015 at 6:57 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: The second claim seems to be bizarre, are you saying that you do not believe in the existence of light because blind people cannot see it?

Don't be obtuse. The point is that personal testimony based on an experience that can only be known to a particular person is insufficient information for the basis of a truth claim to be generally accepted. People like Paul may convince others to believe his tale; however, no matter the number of believers, his experience should not be accepted as truth because nobody else can experience it. Citing an example of a particular person that is deprived of a particular sense misses the point. Besides, a blind person can perceive the warmth of light so it isn't impossible for a blind person to experience light.
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Opinion on this Creed - by Kingpin - July 16, 2015 at 5:00 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Longhorn - July 16, 2015 at 5:03 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 16, 2015 at 5:44 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 16, 2015 at 6:26 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 16, 2015 at 6:32 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 16, 2015 at 6:42 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by KevinM1 - July 16, 2015 at 6:47 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 16, 2015 at 6:57 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 16, 2015 at 7:09 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 16, 2015 at 7:24 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 16, 2015 at 7:57 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 16, 2015 at 8:10 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 16, 2015 at 8:35 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Simon Moon - July 16, 2015 at 8:41 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Cato - July 17, 2015 at 3:21 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by JesusHChrist - July 17, 2015 at 3:58 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 17, 2015 at 3:59 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by KevinM1 - July 17, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Thumpalumpacus - July 17, 2015 at 6:24 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 17, 2015 at 6:57 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 17, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 17, 2015 at 7:53 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 17, 2015 at 8:12 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Cato - July 17, 2015 at 8:59 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Thumpalumpacus - July 18, 2015 at 11:57 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by KevinM1 - July 18, 2015 at 1:37 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Dystopia - July 16, 2015 at 8:39 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by JesusHChrist - July 16, 2015 at 5:07 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by The Valkyrie - July 16, 2015 at 5:09 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Minimalist - July 16, 2015 at 5:12 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Iroscato - July 16, 2015 at 5:15 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Longhorn - July 16, 2015 at 5:19 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by brewer - July 16, 2015 at 5:15 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by KevinM1 - July 16, 2015 at 5:17 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 16, 2015 at 6:21 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Spooky - July 16, 2015 at 6:37 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by KevinM1 - July 16, 2015 at 7:00 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 16, 2015 at 7:20 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 16, 2015 at 8:20 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 16, 2015 at 8:24 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 16, 2015 at 9:06 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Alex K - July 16, 2015 at 7:41 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Regina - July 16, 2015 at 8:07 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Minimalist - July 16, 2015 at 9:19 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Mudhammam - July 16, 2015 at 9:32 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Lemonvariable72 - July 17, 2015 at 9:48 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by robvalue - July 17, 2015 at 9:57 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 18, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by pocaracas - July 17, 2015 at 11:01 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by KevinM1 - July 17, 2015 at 11:33 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by robvalue - July 17, 2015 at 11:36 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by KevinM1 - July 17, 2015 at 12:41 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2015 at 2:30 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Longhorn - July 17, 2015 at 2:35 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Kingpin - July 17, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Longhorn - July 17, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Kingpin - July 17, 2015 at 2:57 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2015 at 3:00 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 17, 2015 at 3:23 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 17, 2015 at 4:56 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by pocaracas - July 17, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Longhorn - July 17, 2015 at 3:01 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Jenny A - July 17, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Thumpalumpacus - July 17, 2015 at 4:27 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by rexbeccarox - July 17, 2015 at 7:35 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2015 at 8:39 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Whateverist - July 18, 2015 at 12:41 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Kingpin - July 18, 2015 at 4:10 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Lemonvariable72 - July 18, 2015 at 11:29 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by The Grand Nudger - July 18, 2015 at 11:35 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by robvalue - July 19, 2015 at 6:42 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Wyrd of Gawd - July 19, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by robvalue - July 24, 2015 at 7:26 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Statler Waldorf - July 24, 2015 at 7:09 pm
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Mudhammam - July 25, 2015 at 3:32 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Longhorn - July 25, 2015 at 1:39 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by Salacious B. Crumb - July 25, 2015 at 3:37 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by robvalue - July 25, 2015 at 5:33 am
RE: Opinion on this Creed - by pocaracas - July 25, 2015 at 5:41 am

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