(June 17, 2015 at 11:47 am)Spacetime Wrote: As I started to investigate my own religion, I began to cast out doctrines like hell... because you have a very difficult problem with theodicy if you hold to it. I then decided that the evil that occurs now is the most pressing issue if hell is out of the equation. What use is my God if He doesn't intervene? Therefore, God must not be a personal God.
I know the bible is not historically accurate, we can prove the documents are fables. I know we have no evidence for the suspension of physical laws to allow for the possibility of miracles. I know human biology doesn't allow for something like a virgin birth.
I just can't seem to give it up. If I've cast out the doctrine of hell, you'd say I have nothing to fear. I've drawn out all that I cannot hold to if I am going to hold to that which is true, there's nothing left. Absolutely nothing. My fear is entirely irrational.
My own Grandmother threatened me with hell. A girl I liked in high school... I asked her "So if I don't believe in Jesus, but am a good person, I'm still going to go to hell?" When she said "I'm sorry, but yes." I literally burst into tears in art class.
Perhaps it's those experiences that still hold me hostage to the Church. My Grandmother sends my children books that I have to go through to weed out the crazy shit. I'm embarrassed and ashamed to tell this story, but my eldest boy toasted the end of the world in front of my atheist parents during their last visit before supper. The reaction he got sent him into tears. I, of course, comforted him. I teach my children that there is no hell, but then he clings to the return of Christ when this loving God comes back to destroy the Earth?
It's all complete and utter bullshit. But I'm so f'ing scared to denounce it for my children's sake. I am programmed to not say anything bad about Christ. I literally can't... and I've even tried. I can even tell you honestly that I love Christ (seriously, no joke). But when I look at these things critically, there's nothing left for me to hold on to.
Church has been so good for my wife and children, though. I'm afraid of what my wife will think of me. I'm afraid I would be taking something good away from them if I am openly agnostic. I'm not incredibly smart or anything, but they look to me for standards of goodness.
If I go to the clergy with these thoughts, I'm afraid I'm only going to get more of the same. That's why I'm posting here. I could use a little unbiased encouragement, maybe, from someone who has been through the same thing.
The Holy Spirit is working hard with you, you will need to look to God to solve this, depend on your wife and children, if you do away with hell you do away with justice. Take this as you may it's all I have to say unless you ask me questions.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.