The Case for Theism

[Darkstar]

Lets attempt to limit this discussion to known facts. If the day comes the existence of other universes is a fact then we can consider it.

In case this needs explaining (you never know) neither the existence of god nor even the physical possibility of god are established facts. Until there is evidence for god, why act as if there is? If I understand you correctly, you say that such an amazingly complex universe must have been created. So...wouldn't an infinitely more amazing god also require creation, or will you play the special pleading card?

In the words of Carl Sagan (or as close to them as I can remember): "Why not save a step, and say that the universe always existed?" Not in its current state, obviously. But rather that the matter that composes it always existed. Then there is Quantum fluctuation, and don't forget this discovery.

It is the default position to suspend judgment when there isn't solid evidence, rather than go with your gut. Thing is, when someone says "naturalistic explanation" there are many possible theories that could belong under that category. People said that lightning was Zeus, and tidal waves Posiedon. Do you know the one thing all claims of "goddidit" have historically had in common? When we found out the answer, goddidntdoit. Why push him further into the gaps, instead of admitting that we don't know how the the universe began