Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: April 28, 2024, 7:57 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Did God fire an Angel or Did an Angel just quit?
#11
RE: Did God fire an Angel or Did an Angel just quit?
(July 16, 2013 at 1:37 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Hell yes, we could. I'd have to read and familiarize myself with the story more first, but I'd think it'd make a great tale.

Believe it or not, the Bible doesn't provide much in the way of detail on Satan's rebellion or his fall. In fact, Satan makes almost no appearances in the OT and is more a plot device than a character in the new.

In the Genesis, the "snake" is never named as "Satan" nor is there any indication that the snake is in any way supernatural (aside from the talking part). In fact, Genesis specifies that the snake is just a snake, the "most clever" of Yahweh's animals. It's only in Revelation that the serpent is ret-conned into being Satan. Ask the Jews about this. The whole Genesis tale is a "just so" story, later reworked into a grand "fall" of humanity that Jesus would later save us from.

Satan makes an appearance in Job apparently as a member of Yahweh's court. He seems cynical and perhaps is the loyal opposition in his conversations with Yahweh. Nonetheless, he seems welcome to enter and leave Heaven and the conversations between him and Yahweh are cordial, not what you'd expect from bitter arch-enemies, actively at war with each other.

Satan's role in the OT is as the tempter and punisher working for Yahweh. It's only in the NT that he is rec-conned into being the arch-nemesis of Jesus.

Even in the NT, the entire rebellion which is so central to Christian theology is outlined only in vague symbolism of Revelation (where the dragon, symbolizing Satan, grabs a third of the stars, symbolizing angels, and throws them to the earth, symbolizing their fall).

Most of Satan's story is based more on Christian "fan fictions" like Milton instead of established scripture.

Here's a video series from an articulate atheist named Todd Gates. I highly recommend his channel.





Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
...      -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
...       -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Did God fire an Angel or Did an Angel just quit? - by DeistPaladin - July 16, 2013 at 1:55 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  The Angel of Death.... ronedee 14 1853 September 29, 2020 at 6:19 pm
Last Post: purplepurpose
  angel story video form Drich 107 10316 April 23, 2020 at 11:30 am
Last Post: Drich
  lying angel - silly ol' Gabriel - just musings drfuzzy 13 1993 December 24, 2017 at 8:53 pm
Last Post: Banned
  Did God just admit to his followers that he's a psychopath? IanHulett 42 8315 May 24, 2015 at 3:24 pm
Last Post: Sappho
  God is god, and we are not god StoryBook 43 12456 January 6, 2014 at 5:47 pm
Last Post: StoryBook
  [split] Better reasons to quit Christianity radorth 10 5134 April 7, 2013 at 7:33 pm
Last Post: ThomM
  Gold dust, manna, angel feathers, gems, rainbows and gold appearing in a church near you. Ziploc Surprise 9 6048 December 20, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Last Post: Ziploc Surprise
  Evil Mutant Angel Giants frogger6 9 5075 September 27, 2012 at 4:34 am
Last Post: frogger6
Smile Better reasons to quit Christianity spockrates 462 302780 September 9, 2012 at 4:48 am
Last Post: Phish
  An encounter with an angel... Or not. FallentoReason 61 20024 July 8, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Last Post: Epimethean



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)