(October 18, 2013 at 4:51 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:(October 18, 2013 at 4:45 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Sigh, most secular morality boils down to hedonism, which is usually applied in 2 ways. On a personal level use the golden rule as written by say Confucius ( or at least one of his students) and on a larger scale moral utilitarianism. These principles guide nearly every good moral decision made in the last 1000 year ( on a large scale) infact the us bill of rights is largely a embodiment of moral utilitarianism.
There would be at all nothing wrong with fascist ideology if you weren't in the minority being persecuted then? It would be hedonistic and utilitarian in that Nazi's enjoyed themselves and had a well run/organised society by their standards. It did go a bit wrong for them but only because they lost the war of which they had a fair chance to win.
Do you doubt for a moment that, had they won, morality would have been very different from today's?
Moral questions would have been something like: "Can you believe there was a time when Jews were allowed to walk amongst us like normal human beings?"
There is a however to this:
Eventually the Nazi Empire would have collapsed - because all empires do. Whatever followed the Nazi empire would, almost by definition, have rejected that morality. Whether or not it would have come to resemble the morality of today is open to question but it appears likely it would have been a much freer approach in reaction to the strictures of the predecessor.
And where would God have been during all of this - strangely absent would be my guess - just as he was whilst 6 million were walked into concentration camps.
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